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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 8280536" data-attributes="member: 6779196">Oh, ok. I see where you’re coming from now. That would probably be a much more productive discussion than the one I’ve been having with Lanefan. His values and mine are just too diametrically opposed, any argument either of us makes is a complete non-starter for the other. But your perspectives I generally find quite reasonable and interesting, even if we ultimately come to different conclusions a lot of the time, so if anyone can make “single roll resolution*” make sense for me, maybe it’s you.*maybe not the most accurate word for it since many (indeed, probably most) actions are resolved with a single roll in my games as well. But I know what you mean by it, so it works.I don’t think anyone will ever be able to convince me that “that’s your character’s best effort” makes a lick of sense when the die is sitting there clearly displaying that I got 2 out of a possible 20. I can accept that it’s a concession some people are willing to make in service of some gameplay preference, but no, 2 out of 20 is objectively not my character’s best effort.Maybe I’m the crazy one and this is one of those things like when some folks can’t accept that hit points are abstract because they’re stuck on the words “hit” and “damage”. But I simply do not see how any reasonable person can call a roll in the bottom 10% of possible results “the character’s best effort.”C'est la vie. Sorry for letting myself get frustrated and brushing you off. I hope we can start this line of discussion fresh with a clearer understanding of each other’s positions and have more productive results.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 8280536, member: 6779196"] Oh, ok. I see where you’re coming from now. That would probably be a much more productive discussion than the one I’ve been having with Lanefan. His values and mine are just too diametrically opposed, any argument either of us makes is a complete non-starter for the other. But your perspectives I generally find quite reasonable and interesting, even if we ultimately come to different conclusions a lot of the time, so if anyone can make “single roll resolution*” make sense for me, maybe it’s you. *maybe not the most accurate word for it since many (indeed, probably most) actions are resolved with a single roll in my games as well. But I know what you mean by it, so it works. I don’t think anyone will ever be able to convince me that “that’s your character’s best effort” makes a lick of sense when the die is sitting there clearly displaying that I got 2 out of a possible 20. I can accept that it’s a concession some people are willing to make in service of some gameplay preference, but no, 2 out of 20 is objectively not my character’s best effort. Maybe I’m the crazy one and this is one of those things like when some folks can’t accept that hit points are abstract because they’re stuck on the words “hit” and “damage”. But I simply do not see how any reasonable person can call a roll in the bottom 10% of possible results “the character’s best effort.” C'est la vie. Sorry for letting myself get frustrated and brushing you off. I hope we can start this line of discussion fresh with a clearer understanding of each other’s positions and have more productive results. [/QUOTE]

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