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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 8282205" data-attributes="member: 6779196">No, you haven’t. You get so far, and then when I ask the follow-up question I’m about to ask again, you dodge it. So let’s try one more time.Ok. So let’s say we determine I do spend the next month working on it. We roll the dice. I fail. Then I decide, I’m actually gonna spend another month working on it. If I don’t get another roll, I don’t see how you can call that mechanic consistent with the fiction. The same thing has now happened twice in the fiction and been treated two different ways by the mechanics.If there was some in-fiction reason I couldn’t spend another month working on it, I would get it. But you refuse to give me any in-fiction reason I couldn’t, and when I say “sounds like it isn’t based in the fiction then” you insist that it is.Right, so your basis for when a roll is called for is not rooted in the fiction. It’s an agreement made between the players and the DM, not something caused by what the characters are doing in the imagined world.Ok. So your process is not derived from the fiction, the fiction is derived from the results of your process. That I can understand. Lots of games have similar mechanics. Man, this would have been a much shorter conversation if you had put it this way sooner.In your experience, sure. In mine the opposite is the case. But that’s fine, we can have different preferences.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 8282205, member: 6779196"] No, you haven’t. You get so far, and then when I ask the follow-up question I’m about to ask again, you dodge it. So let’s try one more time. Ok. So let’s say we determine I do spend the next month working on it. We roll the dice. I fail. Then I decide, I’m actually gonna spend another month working on it. If I don’t get another roll, I don’t see how you can call that mechanic consistent with the fiction. The same thing has now happened twice in the fiction and been treated two different ways by the mechanics. If there was some in-fiction reason I couldn’t spend another month working on it, I would get it. But you refuse to give me any in-fiction reason I couldn’t, and when I say “sounds like it isn’t based in the fiction then” you insist that it is. Right, so your basis for when a roll is called for is not rooted in the fiction. It’s an agreement made between the players and the DM, not something caused by what the characters are doing in the imagined world. Ok. So your process is not derived from the fiction, the fiction is derived from the results of your process. [I]That[/I] I can understand. Lots of games have similar mechanics. Man, this would have been a much shorter conversation if you had put it this way sooner. In your experience, sure. In mine the opposite is the case. But that’s fine, we can have different preferences. [/QUOTE]

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