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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8285402" data-attributes="member: 6704184">It obviously isn’t implicit to everyone, judging from the discussion I’ve been having with [USER=6779196]@Charlaquin[/USER] about it.&nbsp; &nbsp;Also, “it’s the rules” isn’t a compelling argument.&nbsp; Even if D&amp;D 5e was a game that expects you to follow the rules as written rather than make the game your own, guidance on when to call for a roll is advice, regardless of what else you call it. &nbsp;Now, let’s watch you directly contradict what you just said (that adding “or success” would be redundant) for the rest of your post.*I don’t know. Certainly not me. The full statement I actually made is in the text you quoted, but missing from your incredulous quotation that follows. Sure. When something interesting can happen, it’s worth rolling. Including when only one possible result has interesting or significant consequences. And I responded to that idea. Okay. There is no charade. Success is in question, because failure is plausible and there are stakes. The entire idea that if the roll fails without some dramatic consequence it’s a waste of time is...fully incomprehensible, to me. The consequence is not getting what they want. That’s a perfectly good negative consequence.&nbsp; &nbsp;*So, maybe “or success” wouldn’t be redundant at all, and would in fact change the meaning of the guidance in the PHB.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 8285402, member: 6704184"] It obviously isn’t implicit to everyone, judging from the discussion I’ve been having with [USER=6779196]@Charlaquin[/USER] about it. Also, “it’s the rules” isn’t a compelling argument. Even if D&D 5e was a game that expects you to follow the rules as written rather than make the game your own, guidance on when to call for a roll is advice, regardless of what else you call it. Now, let’s watch you directly contradict what you just said (that adding “or success” would be redundant) for the rest of your post.* I don’t know. Certainly not me. The full statement I [I]actually made[/I] is in the text you quoted, but missing from your incredulous quotation that follows. Sure. When something interesting can happen, it’s worth rolling. Including when only one possible result has interesting or significant consequences. And I responded to that idea. Okay. There is no charade. Success is in question, because failure is plausible and there are stakes. The entire idea that if the roll fails without some dramatic consequence it’s a waste of time is...fully incomprehensible, to me. The consequence is not getting what they want. That’s a perfectly good negative consequence. *So, maybe “or success” wouldn’t be redundant at all, and would in fact change the meaning of the guidance in the PHB. [/QUOTE]

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