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<blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 5756011" data-attributes="member: 6957"><p>My point is that the lesson learned was not by WotC - but by Paizo. That the Open License <em>does</em> help sales. It likely made 3.X as popular as it was, and helped it last as long as it did. (I do not count 3e and 3.5 as separate games, but I also don't count 4e and Essentials as separate games. If one was a new edition then so was the other, and 4e <em>has</em> had the 4.5 that WotC promised would not happen....)</p><p></p><p>I think sales are pretty much evenly split between Pathfinder and 4e, <em>when</em> the DDI is factored in. Little to no support for that assumption, aside from local observation. But given that the only eye's view that I have is local (my area is very Pathfinder-centric) the numbers that I have seen bandied by ICv2 seem a hair conservative. </p><p></p><p>That said, I expect WotC to regain the top slot because of the Christmas rush. How long they can hold it...? I expected Essentials to do much better for them than appears to be the case, so my abilities as a prophet are suspect.</p><p></p><p>People seem to think that having the DDI is having a license to mint gold pieces, but I suspect that development costs were high, and that maintaining and expanding the DDI also is higher than some folks think.</p><p></p><p>The fact that a lot of folks are polarized about the 4e rules is a separate matter. I hate them, some one else loves them, and Bob down the street doesn't care which he plays as long as he doesn't have to be the one running the game.</p><p></p><p>Yes, the OGL was designed so that it could not be retracted, but in creating the GSL WotC was still making the attempt to rebottle used djinn. That was <em>their</em> part of the lesson.</p><p></p><p>Paizo's lesson was on how to make the OGL work for them. They are not fighting the terms of the license, but rather are using them to advantage. Making the rules easily accessible, putting search functions into their online SRD, etc.... WotC, on the other hand, locked away most of their material when the OGL was still new. </p><p></p><p>The Auld Grump</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheAuldGrump, post: 5756011, member: 6957"] My point is that the lesson learned was not by WotC - but by Paizo. That the Open License [i]does[/i] help sales. It likely made 3.X as popular as it was, and helped it last as long as it did. (I do not count 3e and 3.5 as separate games, but I also don't count 4e and Essentials as separate games. If one was a new edition then so was the other, and 4e [i]has[/i] had the 4.5 that WotC promised would not happen....) I think sales are pretty much evenly split between Pathfinder and 4e, [i]when[/i] the DDI is factored in. Little to no support for that assumption, aside from local observation. But given that the only eye's view that I have is local (my area is very Pathfinder-centric) the numbers that I have seen bandied by ICv2 seem a hair conservative. That said, I expect WotC to regain the top slot because of the Christmas rush. How long they can hold it...? I expected Essentials to do much better for them than appears to be the case, so my abilities as a prophet are suspect. People seem to think that having the DDI is having a license to mint gold pieces, but I suspect that development costs were high, and that maintaining and expanding the DDI also is higher than some folks think. The fact that a lot of folks are polarized about the 4e rules is a separate matter. I hate them, some one else loves them, and Bob down the street doesn't care which he plays as long as he doesn't have to be the one running the game. Yes, the OGL was designed so that it could not be retracted, but in creating the GSL WotC was still making the attempt to rebottle used djinn. That was [i]their[/i] part of the lesson. Paizo's lesson was on how to make the OGL work for them. They are not fighting the terms of the license, but rather are using them to advantage. Making the rules easily accessible, putting search functions into their online SRD, etc.... WotC, on the other hand, locked away most of their material when the OGL was still new. The Auld Grump [/QUOTE]
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