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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 7569646" data-attributes="member: 7006"><p>The problem I see with all of these campaign settings is simply that their world size is antithetical to a NEW book's usefulness. Because there is just TOO MUCH stuff that you have to pay lip service to, that you can't go into any real substantive detail on any of it. So you end up with like two pages on every barony/duchy/kingdom... and every major location/town/city in each of those places gets at most two paragraphs telling us the baseline about what its big "thing" is.</p><p></p><p>If you aren't going to update any timelines... then anything that appears in the book is going to be a virtual copy/paste from the previous campaign setting books/boxed sets that have already been made. So what's the point? Just so that we can have a pretty 5E-styled cover and feel good about ourselves that WotC has decided that they love this thing we love just as much as we do? Do our egos really need to be stroked that badly?</p><p></p><p>Here's the truth about all the Forgotten Realms stuff we've gotten for 5E. We haven't actually gotten JACK about the Forgotten Realms in 5E. What we HAVE gotten is a lot of stuff about the SWORD COAST in 5E. WotC has gone out of its way to detail the Sword Coast in most of their products... the Ghost of Dragonspear Castle adventure, certain chapters of Tyranny of Dragons, the PotA adventure, the SCAG, parts of Storm King's Thunder, the Waterdeep adventures... and heck, throw in the 4E Neverwinter book if you want. All those combined do a pretty good job of giving us a usable Sword Coast to create campaigns in... with quite a bunch of additional detail in all those locations. But we sure as heck haven't gotten anything about any other place in the Realms (except for Chult) that would allow us to set a new campaign elsewhere. If we want a campaign in the Dalelands... we're going to have to go back to the Grey Box of the 3E FRCS book like we would otherwise. </p><p></p><p>And its the exact same situation with ANYTHING related to Greyhawk. Any book they make that tries to "update" the entire setting to 5E will fall <em>woefully</em> short. Because you just can't detail a usable location to set a campaign that is that fricking large. The BEST thing you could do would be to select a SINGLE barony/duchy/kingdom and then detail the heck out of that one place. Like Geoff, or Furyondy or the County of Sundi or whatever. Because at least then you have a compressed location that you can run characters back and forth across, you can give more detail and plot hooks about the locations *in* that area, and can detail many more useful NPCs to interact with rather than just the one duke or general you'd otherwise mention in a full campaign setting book.</p><p></p><p>If Ghosts of Saltmarsh is going to detail the town of Saltmarsh... their best/most useful future option for a full Greyhawk "setting book" would be to detail the entire area around it... from the Hool Marshes to the Dreadwood, from the Kingdom of Keoland down into the Hold of the Sea Princes. Give us THAT area in intricate detail... allow us to use Saltmarsh as the home base town for this setting... and then you might have a useful book for people to run effective campaigns in.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 7569646, member: 7006"] The problem I see with all of these campaign settings is simply that their world size is antithetical to a NEW book's usefulness. Because there is just TOO MUCH stuff that you have to pay lip service to, that you can't go into any real substantive detail on any of it. So you end up with like two pages on every barony/duchy/kingdom... and every major location/town/city in each of those places gets at most two paragraphs telling us the baseline about what its big "thing" is. If you aren't going to update any timelines... then anything that appears in the book is going to be a virtual copy/paste from the previous campaign setting books/boxed sets that have already been made. So what's the point? Just so that we can have a pretty 5E-styled cover and feel good about ourselves that WotC has decided that they love this thing we love just as much as we do? Do our egos really need to be stroked that badly? Here's the truth about all the Forgotten Realms stuff we've gotten for 5E. We haven't actually gotten JACK about the Forgotten Realms in 5E. What we HAVE gotten is a lot of stuff about the SWORD COAST in 5E. WotC has gone out of its way to detail the Sword Coast in most of their products... the Ghost of Dragonspear Castle adventure, certain chapters of Tyranny of Dragons, the PotA adventure, the SCAG, parts of Storm King's Thunder, the Waterdeep adventures... and heck, throw in the 4E Neverwinter book if you want. All those combined do a pretty good job of giving us a usable Sword Coast to create campaigns in... with quite a bunch of additional detail in all those locations. But we sure as heck haven't gotten anything about any other place in the Realms (except for Chult) that would allow us to set a new campaign elsewhere. If we want a campaign in the Dalelands... we're going to have to go back to the Grey Box of the 3E FRCS book like we would otherwise. And its the exact same situation with ANYTHING related to Greyhawk. Any book they make that tries to "update" the entire setting to 5E will fall [I]woefully[/I] short. Because you just can't detail a usable location to set a campaign that is that fricking large. The BEST thing you could do would be to select a SINGLE barony/duchy/kingdom and then detail the heck out of that one place. Like Geoff, or Furyondy or the County of Sundi or whatever. Because at least then you have a compressed location that you can run characters back and forth across, you can give more detail and plot hooks about the locations *in* that area, and can detail many more useful NPCs to interact with rather than just the one duke or general you'd otherwise mention in a full campaign setting book. If Ghosts of Saltmarsh is going to detail the town of Saltmarsh... their best/most useful future option for a full Greyhawk "setting book" would be to detail the entire area around it... from the Hool Marshes to the Dreadwood, from the Kingdom of Keoland down into the Hold of the Sea Princes. Give us THAT area in intricate detail... allow us to use Saltmarsh as the home base town for this setting... and then you might have a useful book for people to run effective campaigns in. [/QUOTE]
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