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Message: <blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 6173949" data-attributes="member: 92511">Can't really answer since the poll is "all or nothing." Do I care if Sorcerer and Warlock are a subclass of Mage, not at all. They're all arcane magic users. Differrent fluff. Different casting mechanic. Different primary ability? Fine. But all arcane magic users. Where else should they go?Psions...meh, but as I've said elsewhere, organizationally, if they're trying to design from the "Big 4" top-down, then there's really no other option that makes sense. So, yeah, make sure its flavored as "Yeah, these guys can do amazing weird things other people can't...here's their mechanic for using those powers, that's different than these other casters...but they're not actually casting spells/using magic" and I can get by it.Artificer, gets my hackles up as it is, purely, a setting specific class. Artificers go into whatever they put Eberron's stuff in. That's it. It doesn't go in the PHB. If, in the Eberron book, you say "Here's an Eberron-based addition to the Mage classes"...if they are arcane magic users, then I guess I have no problem. But if you are listing setting specific classes in a setting specific book, I see no reason that would be necessary.  So...can't really answer the poll without contributing to some false positive.</blockquote>