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Message: <blockquote data-quote="eamon" data-source="post: 5238016" data-attributes="member: 51942">10 pages at least partially filled with general info for the PHB alone (i.e. you missed a few which just illustrates the point that it's easy to do so in the jungle of errata).  That's not counting pages dealing exclusively with class details, paragon paths, epic destinies, feats, rituals and items even though some of those are fairly general too.  The DMG has another 7 pages, of which 3 might be relevant to players.So on the one hand, that's only 13 pages of general stuff.  On the other hand, there's way more including the powers, and it's all interleaved with unmodified rules in the sense that if you want to look up a rule, you pretty much need to look up the errata too.On the whole, I think the errata are definitely pretty good.  But there's also too many of them for it to be convenient, so an updated 4e would be appreciated - one that takes the errata and perhaps fixes a few other problems but keeps the basics intact.Different game, different issues.Hmm, I don't think so: quite a lot of stuff in the first printing was broken (in the sense of not making much sense) or rather unbalanced.  Actually, I get the impression that the later splatbooks had fewer issues than the original PHB+DMG+MM+AV.  Stuff like Righteous Brand + Blade Cascade is pretty nasty.</blockquote>