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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 5598458" data-attributes="member: 7006">Here's the problem though with what you are saying.  Every one of these attempts to "improve" the game all comment on the exact same thing----the game would be better if these feats didn't exist.But guess what?  That isn't happening.WotC had a chance to "fix the math" back before PHII got released... but decided it was easier and more economical to create the Expertise feats than it was at the time to errata every single monster and the entire character creation system to add these extra points into the game.By adding these feats to the game, the can of worms was opened... and the only way to close it back up was to errata out all the Expertise feats at a later point, and still go back in and errata all of character generation and the monsters involved.  They chose not to do that.  Why?  Because only a small, select, vocal handful of people on some message boards got all bent out of shape over their existence, and the feats were a much easier solution than what the small minority wanted.  And their incessant complaints about how the feats were a bad idea and screwed everything up were easy to just put to the side.Doesn't the fact that upon the release of Essentials and a whole new set of edited monsters... WotC still chose to keep the idea of Expertise in the game tell us all that they aren't taking Expertise out of the game?  Despite thread after thread of certain people saying that it should have been?There's no point to the complaints.  They are arguing for something that doesn't exist.  They're trying to divide by zero.  It's too late... WotC has told us loud and clear that these "feat taxes" are here to stay.  And I know many of you keep hoping against hope that WotC will finally "see the light" and finally errata the feats out of existence... but we can't even get the redundant feats that have already been replaced removed from the game.  If those feats are still within the Character Builder... how can you possibly think that WotC will decide to cut the entire line of "feat tax" feats from the system *NOW*?  Is there a magical number of threads that have to be made here on ENWorld for it to finally occur?  Because some people sure are striving to see if there is.So yes, I will continue to point out the futility of arguing for something that in all honestly is extremely unlikly to EVER happen.  Whereas... if you were to instead talk about ways to deal with the issue (rather than continually insist the issue shouldn't exist in the first place)... then I'd love to get into discussions about it.  Because then we are all talking about things that can actually reach workable conclusions, and meaningful conversation can actually occur.</blockquote>

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