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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5599278" data-attributes="member: 61155">Except you haven't really addressed the various responses folks have given to that claim.  For one thing, we're not talking about one single element, and either they fix it or ignore it. The Expertise issue is seperate from feat bloat is seperate from feat organization is seperate from having a delineation between combat and non-combat feats.  They seem to be sticking with Expertise. I'd like to see it change, but yeah, I don't hold out much hope of it doing so before 5E. That doesn't mean we can't discuss approaches folks can use in their home games.  Feat bloat does seem to be something they are taking note of - as shown by the significant slowdown in material, both in new products and the content offered in Dragon.  Organizing feats better in the Compendium and Character Builder is certainly a viable goal. And they've done errata in the past - having more of it that might merge/trim/adjust many of the feats out there isn't likely, but I don't think it is impossible.  And as far as introducing a new category of non-combat feats or something along those lines? It does seem like a drastic change and not likely to be the sort of thing introduced mid-edition. But... we've had Backgrounds introduced, and Themes as well. A readjustment of the feat system, or a new system designed to work alongside it, seems quite plausible to me. Maybe not likely, again, but it could happen.  You feel that none of this discussion can have any impact on WotC before 5E. I don't think that is true, but even if it was, I think it is still a discussion worth having for our own use and, yes, for any future editions that come along.   Ok, we're pretty clearly going in circles here. But as I've said before - I think the conversation runs deeper than that, and serves a purpose both for us discussing it and, yes, for the WotC design staff that do pay vague attention to these sorts of discussions and internalize elements of it.  If you really feel you need to come into every thread of this sort and insist that none of our discussion is meaningful, I suppose that is your right. But it doesn't feel especially productive, nor does the insistance that no one else agrees with us. You're free to state that you don't think that same way, but I'm not entirely sure you get to lay claim to what the majority is thinking.</blockquote>

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