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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 5600078" data-attributes="member: 7006">But here's the thing... you might not be talking about any specific elements, but *I* was.  If you go back and check, I didn't make any real conversation here until Kzach posted that he would take every numerically advantageous feat regardless of which ones were available... and I then said maybe his problems aren't with the game itself, but his own attitude towards it.  And at which time, *you* chimed in commenting you didn't like how I was pointing out what I perceived to be a flaw in his thinking.  And things just spiraled from there because every time I reiterated what I saw to be the factual points as to why I thought his thinking was flawed, you wouldn't accept that I was doing so and kept trying to find excuses for him.I don't care about feat bloat.  I was never discussing feat bloat.  Was I "off-topic" per se?  Yeah, I guess I was.  I was pointing out what I saw to be fingerpointing in the wrong direction.  And it's only because you, others, and the original poster Kzach kept commenting back to me that I continued to post.All the other stuff that other folks were talking about with regards to the actual poll... I never participated in that part.  In fact, in many cases much of what you all are talking about, I happen to agree with.  I'm also a believer that come 5E I'd love to see a combat-focuses feat/ skill-focused talent split, with characters earning both over time.  I also believe that come 5E (provided WotC just tweaks the 4E game and doesn't make drastic changes to the game mechanics like they did when they created 4E) the underlying math will be adjusted/fixed.  In fact, I'd imagine that it's already been done.But like Draco keeps trying to do... if you make a logical fallacy or your beliefs might not actually have a basis in fact... other people will point it out.  And if you come back trying to defend yourself (which you are more than allowed to do), you can't be surprised when the conversation continues.</blockquote>

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