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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5600142" data-attributes="member: 61155">Exact that his comment was in the context of this discussion.  He feels that the current offering of feats - both numerically potent combat feats and other more flavorful feats - presents players with a problematic choice between the two. He, himself, gives as example his own difficulty - if presented with effective combat feats, he will take them, rather than feeling like he is intentionally crippling his own character.  At this point, you suggest that the problem is not the system, but his own personal failings and or style of play. You go on to also suggest - or rather, insist - that the specific issue of Expertise (which is only a small part of the overall discussion, even Kzach's own post) will not be fixed during the lifespan of 4E, and so the entire discussion is not even worth having.  Look, I do get that you feel his focus on optimization vs non-optimization is part of the problem, and that if players could just get past that mindset, they wouldn't feel these issues are problematic.  But the fault still lies, ultimately, with the system that presents this dilemma. You can't expect every player to get into some sort of zen mindstate, or every DM to be an expert analyst able to adjust the game to perfectly fit their group. Kzach isn't at fault for wanting to play an effective character while also playing a flavorful one, nor is he at fault for feeling that the current system makes it difficult to do so.  Nor, ultimately, is the discussion not worth having regardless of whether WotC will or will not errata Expertise. Whether in the context of home games, 5th Edition, or simply helping inform others about the game, it is a reasonable discussion to have and a reasonable one for Kzach to take part in. And, honestly? Errata could happen. Again, I don't think it likely - but they've shown a willingness to make updates that they think they improve the game. Some large, some small. I don't think an abrupt shift away from the Expertise paradigm is likely, but I also don't think it is anything close to impossible, either.</blockquote>

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