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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 6802059" data-attributes="member: 23751">You're moving the goal posts.  The issue was not if they abilities would always work the way they should.  The issue is whether or not you would know it, and you wouldn't.  5e allows the DM to declare something an auto success or auto failure.  That doesn't mean that a roll still cannot be called for by the DM to see how successful it is.  I'm effectively setting a DC where failure = lesser success and success = greater success.  The ability check section does not specify what failure means. I get to say what failure means and I am fully within RAW to declare that it is a lesser success.How is being entirely consistent with what I have been saying not consistent with what I have been saying?  Exceeding the bounds happens 2-4 times in a two year period.</blockquote>