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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6804332" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>Does that mean you can give a "cast iron guarantee" that the things <em>you</em> think are beneficial for the group are also the things <em>your players</em> think are beneficial for the group?</p><p></p><p>Because the CIA analogy--I can't remember which thread it was in--strikes me as almost painfully apt. I genuinely straight-up don't care if the CIA has done clandestine law-/treaty-breaking operations that resulted in good things for the United States, even ones that have long-lasting and unequivocally good results in the end that specifically apply to me. Breaking laws and treaties, flaunting the guaranteed rights in the Constitution, is wrong regardless of the results you might--or even <em>do</em>--reap. I neither need nor want that kind of "parentalist" approach. I neither need nor want the government to spy on people--whether or not "people" includes me--without oversight, nor for it to be able to evade getting warrants for things that, in any other context, would absolutely require one. And the <em>vast</em> majority of rhetoric in defense of fudging comes across as perfectly identical: "I know what's best for you better than you do, and it's perfectly fine for me to lie to you, hide my activities from you, and stonewall your attempts to figure out what happened, in order to make sure you don't get upset about the things I've done 'for your benefit.' "</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 6804332, member: 6790260"] Does that mean you can give a "cast iron guarantee" that the things [I]you[/I] think are beneficial for the group are also the things [I]your players[/I] think are beneficial for the group? Because the CIA analogy--I can't remember which thread it was in--strikes me as almost painfully apt. I genuinely straight-up don't care if the CIA has done clandestine law-/treaty-breaking operations that resulted in good things for the United States, even ones that have long-lasting and unequivocally good results in the end that specifically apply to me. Breaking laws and treaties, flaunting the guaranteed rights in the Constitution, is wrong regardless of the results you might--or even [I]do[/I]--reap. I neither need nor want that kind of "parentalist" approach. I neither need nor want the government to spy on people--whether or not "people" includes me--without oversight, nor for it to be able to evade getting warrants for things that, in any other context, would absolutely require one. And the [I]vast[/I] majority of rhetoric in defense of fudging comes across as perfectly identical: "I know what's best for you better than you do, and it's perfectly fine for me to lie to you, hide my activities from you, and stonewall your attempts to figure out what happened, in order to make sure you don't get upset about the things I've done 'for your benefit.' " [/QUOTE]
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