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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6804866" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>See, that's my point though. Why is it overstepping? The point that was made earlier was that DM's who fudge do so with the tacit approval of the players. Session 0 to ask the players if it's okay, for example. Several on the pro-fudging side have repeatedly stated that their players don't have a problem with it. But, if stepping up and asking the DM not to do it would be considered overstepping, then how reasonable is it to expect players to step up and ask the DM not to do it?</p><p></p><p>If it's perfectly reasonable for the DM to fudge, why is it not also perfectly reasonable to ask him not to? But, it isn't. Telling the DM, "Hey, I really hate it when DM's fudge die rolls, could you please not do that" is extremely unlikely to happen because players would be worried about offending the DM. Good grief, getting ANY real feedback from players is like pulling teeth most of the time. "How was the game?" "Oh, great game Mr. DM, we really liked it" is about all the feedback DM's get most of the time.</p><p></p><p>Trying to argue that it's okay that you fudge because your player's don't complain about it doesn't really work for me. Players don't complain about a lot of things because anyone who does complain gets painted as a bad player and most players don't want to be "that guy". So, they put up with it, don't rock the boat and the DM assumes that everything is hunky dory. </p><p></p><p>I challenge anyone reading this to try the following. The next time you feel the need to adjust a die roll, don't. Just that one time. Don't do it and watch what happens. IMO, you will get a better game because of it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6804866, member: 22779"] See, that's my point though. Why is it overstepping? The point that was made earlier was that DM's who fudge do so with the tacit approval of the players. Session 0 to ask the players if it's okay, for example. Several on the pro-fudging side have repeatedly stated that their players don't have a problem with it. But, if stepping up and asking the DM not to do it would be considered overstepping, then how reasonable is it to expect players to step up and ask the DM not to do it? If it's perfectly reasonable for the DM to fudge, why is it not also perfectly reasonable to ask him not to? But, it isn't. Telling the DM, "Hey, I really hate it when DM's fudge die rolls, could you please not do that" is extremely unlikely to happen because players would be worried about offending the DM. Good grief, getting ANY real feedback from players is like pulling teeth most of the time. "How was the game?" "Oh, great game Mr. DM, we really liked it" is about all the feedback DM's get most of the time. Trying to argue that it's okay that you fudge because your player's don't complain about it doesn't really work for me. Players don't complain about a lot of things because anyone who does complain gets painted as a bad player and most players don't want to be "that guy". So, they put up with it, don't rock the boat and the DM assumes that everything is hunky dory. I challenge anyone reading this to try the following. The next time you feel the need to adjust a die roll, don't. Just that one time. Don't do it and watch what happens. IMO, you will get a better game because of it. [/QUOTE]
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