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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6805811" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>You have been calling a technique dishonest. That's judging everyone who uses that technique dishonest. </p><p> </p><p>It wasn't that general to start with. But objecting to legitimate DM tools can't help but touch on that. And, it's presumably because 5e is so committed to DM empowerment that it endorses such tools. Why doesn't really matter. You begrudge DMs a useful tool and insult them for using it. That's, at the very least, less than polite. At worst it's judgmental OneTrueWayism. There's nothing dishonest about using a DM technique like that. It's no more dishonest than posting using a handle instead of your real name. It's a common convention in that context. Nobody thinks your name is really 'Hussar' for instance. Now, it may well detract from your enjoyment to think that the guy making up everything that's happening in the game world might also be making up the results of the occasional die roll - seems a little inconsistent to me, but emotional reactions often are - if you can't trust him to do the latter, how are you trusting him to do the former? </p><p></p><p>But, you don't absolutely have to accept that kind of DMing to play the game, you can insist on nothing but unmodified, published adventure with everything above board, for instance, or whatever medium works for you. Strikes me as limiting, but I'm jaded, I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't do it.</p><p></p><p>You are saying that I'm doing something ethically wrong by running 5e, though. And I don't appreciate that. </p><p></p><p> I'm sure it's no shock that our experiences are different. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p></p><p>Yes, really, because it's not reasonable to dictate to your fellow players. </p><p></p><p>On the contrary, it's perfectly serviceable, and, yes, it does highlight that the player is being PITA, <em>because he is</em>, he's pulling the OneTrueWay routine, insisting everyone play his way. That's what a lot of these issues come down to - is everyone able to show common courtesy to eachother, or is there a basic incompatibility. </p><p></p><p>If you have to worry about being 'that guy' to get what you want, what you want may not be as reasonable as you think.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6805811, member: 996"] You have been calling a technique dishonest. That's judging everyone who uses that technique dishonest. It wasn't that general to start with. But objecting to legitimate DM tools can't help but touch on that. And, it's presumably because 5e is so committed to DM empowerment that it endorses such tools. Why doesn't really matter. You begrudge DMs a useful tool and insult them for using it. That's, at the very least, less than polite. At worst it's judgmental OneTrueWayism. There's nothing dishonest about using a DM technique like that. It's no more dishonest than posting using a handle instead of your real name. It's a common convention in that context. Nobody thinks your name is really 'Hussar' for instance. Now, it may well detract from your enjoyment to think that the guy making up everything that's happening in the game world might also be making up the results of the occasional die roll - seems a little inconsistent to me, but emotional reactions often are - if you can't trust him to do the latter, how are you trusting him to do the former? But, you don't absolutely have to accept that kind of DMing to play the game, you can insist on nothing but unmodified, published adventure with everything above board, for instance, or whatever medium works for you. Strikes me as limiting, but I'm jaded, I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't do it. You are saying that I'm doing something ethically wrong by running 5e, though. And I don't appreciate that. I'm sure it's no shock that our experiences are different. ;) Yes, really, because it's not reasonable to dictate to your fellow players. On the contrary, it's perfectly serviceable, and, yes, it does highlight that the player is being PITA, [i]because he is[/i], he's pulling the OneTrueWay routine, insisting everyone play his way. That's what a lot of these issues come down to - is everyone able to show common courtesy to eachother, or is there a basic incompatibility. If you have to worry about being 'that guy' to get what you want, what you want may not be as reasonable as you think. [/QUOTE]
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