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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zak S" data-source="post: 6808701" data-attributes="member: 90370">That proposition is not in doubt.I am simply saying this player's #1 priority is not challenge.This is not a proposition that is in doubt. No need to say this.Either way it's unrelated to the point.No position on WHETHER to fudge is "right".It is 100% true that fudging is an action that works against the player sense of challenge and that is "right". It's also right. As in correct. That is the proposition we are discussing.If you have some other value higher than challenge, then fudging might be right for your group.Yes, you said that in a previous comment. This is not a proposition that is in doubt. No need to say this.Then you are grasping the point I made.Already addressed this: It's not bad. I've said that several times. For example, just above:This proposition is not in doubt. There is no need to say this.Exactly my point.Wholly incorrect: The DM can create complex and interesting challenges far beyond what a procedure or machine could.You have moved from"I fudge because I don't prioritize challenge"...which is a statement that makes sense and expresses your personal preference, and then moved into an overreaching statement that is not rational.No. You already said you and your group prefer pushing the story in a given direction over challenge.</blockquote>