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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MostlyDm" data-source="post: 6813761" data-attributes="member: 6788973">Here's the fun thing: which of those is fudging?I don't think Iserith or Aaron or any of the strongly anti-fudging group would say that allowing the player a chance to change the dragon's behavior is fudging at all. And if you set the DC based on something semi objective, say 8 or 10 + dragon's intelligence bonus, again I don't think anyone would raise an eyebrow. But is it fudging to simply have it work, no die roll? (Again, guessing Iserith would say no, unequivocally)Is it fudging to set the DC fairly low, say, 10?  What if you set the DC to "X+the player's bonus to intimidate checks" with X being 5 or 10 or 15 or whatever you want the roll to have to be? Fudging or no?What if you don't set a DC at all, and just have them roll and then estimate gradual success based on how good of a roll it was? Fudging?Or is it only fudging if, after you set a DC and have them roll, you secretly change the DC to force success/failure?  What if you set a DC, and then as they roll the player also shouts, in character, some additional insult beyond the ones that prompted the roll? Something absolutely perfect and intimidating? Do you change the DC now? Declare auto success? They already rolled. You can't unsee it. Is that fudging?I have my own opinions about all of these, but I don't think they're all obvious answers. Curious what people think.</blockquote>