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<blockquote data-quote="Morrus" data-source="post: 9657906" data-attributes="member: 1"><p>It's usually a bit like the <em>Star Trek</em> thing--aliens with godlike powers and/or tech, but aliens not gods. I guess divinity is what we decide it is, but generally they are regarded as supernatural--literally beyond science. You could argue that the Doctor is a god; he certainly has quasi-magical powers unexplainable by any science that we know of today, but in-universe he does nothing unexplainable. Is Q a god in <em>Star Trek</em>? Hell, is Spock? He can do magic psychic stuff. Is Thor a god in the MCU? How does he differ from any other superpowered being? What makes him a 'god' and Spider-man not? Is Superman a god?</p><p></p><p>I guess we're really arguing semantics. Not to get into religion, but I personally do not believe that gods exist any more than I believe Time Lords do, so we can all define these things any way we want to. But I do feel like the show has pushed into the 'magic' or 'fantasy' genre a little more the last couple of years--and RTD has certainly said that that was his explicit intention.</p><p></p><p>Then again, it can all be reversed with a line which explains them as non-magical.</p><p></p><p>The Doctor: Nah, they're not really gods. I mean, they come from outside the universe and manipulate zero-quantum energy in a way that even we Time Lords can't do, so I guess they're pretty much gods even to Gallifreyans, but it's not actually <em>magic</em>. Actually, I'm one of them. God of Time, right? I found out last night when I looked in my really old diary. Totally forgot I'd written all that stuff, it was like 15 billion years ago before this universe was even born. No wonder I seem to defeat every one of them! Anyway, next subject? You were asking about the coffee machine...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Morrus, post: 9657906, member: 1"] It's usually a bit like the [I]Star Trek[/I] thing--aliens with godlike powers and/or tech, but aliens not gods. I guess divinity is what we decide it is, but generally they are regarded as supernatural--literally beyond science. You could argue that the Doctor is a god; he certainly has quasi-magical powers unexplainable by any science that we know of today, but in-universe he does nothing unexplainable. Is Q a god in [I]Star Trek[/I]? Hell, is Spock? He can do magic psychic stuff. Is Thor a god in the MCU? How does he differ from any other superpowered being? What makes him a 'god' and Spider-man not? Is Superman a god? I guess we're really arguing semantics. Not to get into religion, but I personally do not believe that gods exist any more than I believe Time Lords do, so we can all define these things any way we want to. But I do feel like the show has pushed into the 'magic' or 'fantasy' genre a little more the last couple of years--and RTD has certainly said that that was his explicit intention. Then again, it can all be reversed with a line which explains them as non-magical. The Doctor: Nah, they're not really gods. I mean, they come from outside the universe and manipulate zero-quantum energy in a way that even we Time Lords can't do, so I guess they're pretty much gods even to Gallifreyans, but it's not actually [I]magic[/I]. Actually, I'm one of them. God of Time, right? I found out last night when I looked in my really old diary. Totally forgot I'd written all that stuff, it was like 15 billion years ago before this universe was even born. No wonder I seem to defeat every one of them! Anyway, next subject? You were asking about the coffee machine... [/QUOTE]
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