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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 2981675" data-attributes="member: 18280"><p>The Daleks have been trying to get an agent onto Gallifrey for a very, very long time in order to assassinate the High Council. The Daleks make duplicates of people. The Daleks have tried to make duplicates of the Doctor. They have done this for the specific purpose of getting said duplicate to Gallifrey to assassinate the High Council.</p><p></p><p>We are <em><strong>told</strong></em> that the Daleks tried and executed the Master, then agreed to allow the Doctor to carry his remains to Gallifrey. We don't actually know how the Doctor knows this. What we do know is that holding a trial is very much out of character for the Daleks, and so is caring one whit about one of their victim's last wishes. Or, for that matter, blithely handing anyone or anything over to the Doctor.</p><p></p><p>I theorize that the "Master" in the Fox/BBC movie was actually a Dalek construct of the Master, which they desired to have go to Gallifrey to assassinate the High Council. The more advanced Dalek constructs are created using the mind imprints of their victims, so that the Master-construct would have (to a large extent) the personality, knowledge, and will of the Master. Since we know that Dalek dupicates of mere humans can overcome thier programming, it shouldn't surprise us that a Dalek dupicate of the Master could do the same, and make a go at independent existence.</p><p></p><p>In other words, the Fox/BBC movie, in my theory, was part of the Time War -- an early salvo on the part of the Daleks. The first salvo would have been by the Time Lords in <em>Genesis of the Daleks</em> (4th Doctor), with the Daleks making several attempts to infiltrate Gallifrey thereafter.</p><p></p><p>So, by this reasoning, the Master is still alive because he escaped from the Daleks prior to the duplicate being given to the Doctor. Presumably, the Master, the Rani, the Meddling Monk, etc. simply didn't fight in the Time War because they were disinterested/ran. The question then becomes, why does the Doctor think he is alone? Why is there no telepathic resonance of the other Time Lords?</p><p></p><p>My argument would be that when Gallifrey was destroyed, the link between all TARDISes and the Eye of Harmony was severed, and thus the link between the various TARDIS telepathic fields and whatever assisted telepathic fields existed on Gallifrey (the Matrix and the APC Net are certainly destroyed). That the TARDIS telepathic fields were linked through the Matrix was made fairly clear in <em>Trial of a Time Lord</em>. Without this linkage, it would certainly <em>seem</em> as though there were no other TARDISes or Time Lords. The Master should be as surprised that the Doctor survived as vice versa, if they meet.</p><p></p><p>Really, this is no different than the Dalek in <em>Dalek</em> thinking there was no one to contact when a huge armada was massed beyond Pluto. There were other Daleks; they were just out of contact. When you are used to constant information flow (via a telepathic field or Dalek transmissions), "out of contact" sure seems like "I'm the last one of my kind", especially if you have good reason to believe that your species was otherwise wiped out.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, that's my $.02, and I hope the BBC uses it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>RC</p><p></p><p></p><p>P.S.: I wrote an article published in <em>Enlightenment</em> about that "Half human, on my mother's side" comment the 8th Doctor made. The gist is that, because of the medication, the Doctor had to pattern his regeneration on Grace (similar to how Eldrad bases his regeneration on Sarah Jane Smith in <em>Hand of Fear</em>).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 2981675, member: 18280"] The Daleks have been trying to get an agent onto Gallifrey for a very, very long time in order to assassinate the High Council. The Daleks make duplicates of people. The Daleks have tried to make duplicates of the Doctor. They have done this for the specific purpose of getting said duplicate to Gallifrey to assassinate the High Council. We are [I][B]told[/B][/I] that the Daleks tried and executed the Master, then agreed to allow the Doctor to carry his remains to Gallifrey. We don't actually know how the Doctor knows this. What we do know is that holding a trial is very much out of character for the Daleks, and so is caring one whit about one of their victim's last wishes. Or, for that matter, blithely handing anyone or anything over to the Doctor. I theorize that the "Master" in the Fox/BBC movie was actually a Dalek construct of the Master, which they desired to have go to Gallifrey to assassinate the High Council. The more advanced Dalek constructs are created using the mind imprints of their victims, so that the Master-construct would have (to a large extent) the personality, knowledge, and will of the Master. Since we know that Dalek dupicates of mere humans can overcome thier programming, it shouldn't surprise us that a Dalek dupicate of the Master could do the same, and make a go at independent existence. In other words, the Fox/BBC movie, in my theory, was part of the Time War -- an early salvo on the part of the Daleks. The first salvo would have been by the Time Lords in [I]Genesis of the Daleks[/I] (4th Doctor), with the Daleks making several attempts to infiltrate Gallifrey thereafter. So, by this reasoning, the Master is still alive because he escaped from the Daleks prior to the duplicate being given to the Doctor. Presumably, the Master, the Rani, the Meddling Monk, etc. simply didn't fight in the Time War because they were disinterested/ran. The question then becomes, why does the Doctor think he is alone? Why is there no telepathic resonance of the other Time Lords? My argument would be that when Gallifrey was destroyed, the link between all TARDISes and the Eye of Harmony was severed, and thus the link between the various TARDIS telepathic fields and whatever assisted telepathic fields existed on Gallifrey (the Matrix and the APC Net are certainly destroyed). That the TARDIS telepathic fields were linked through the Matrix was made fairly clear in [I]Trial of a Time Lord[/I]. Without this linkage, it would certainly [I]seem[/I] as though there were no other TARDISes or Time Lords. The Master should be as surprised that the Doctor survived as vice versa, if they meet. Really, this is no different than the Dalek in [I]Dalek[/I] thinking there was no one to contact when a huge armada was massed beyond Pluto. There were other Daleks; they were just out of contact. When you are used to constant information flow (via a telepathic field or Dalek transmissions), "out of contact" sure seems like "I'm the last one of my kind", especially if you have good reason to believe that your species was otherwise wiped out. Anyway, that's my $.02, and I hope the BBC uses it. RC P.S.: I wrote an article published in [I]Enlightenment[/I] about that "Half human, on my mother's side" comment the 8th Doctor made. The gist is that, because of the medication, the Doctor had to pattern his regeneration on Grace (similar to how Eldrad bases his regeneration on Sarah Jane Smith in [I]Hand of Fear[/I]). [/QUOTE]
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