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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DoctorB" data-source="post: 363087" data-attributes="member: 903">Cobbe is Dead, Long Live Cobbe[Cobbe]Oh!  So . . . so Heaven . . . and . . . and *you* . . . don't have anindependent existence?  I mean, it's goodness in world that sustains you, and heaven . . . and I guess the world also makes Hell and the chaos plane and everything . . .So if goodness "lost" in the world . . . so goodness isn't inherent?  If I'd grown up in a slave pit and never seen anything in my life but cruelty, I'da been evil too?  Hmm.  Hard to fathom.But see, it's confusing.  So the world really is super-important, and . . . all these other, uh "planes" are . . . reflections, sorta, of aspects from the world?  But . . . we've fought devils and chaos worms and whatnot *in the world*.  If those things are just reflections of aspects of the world, how come they're so damned powerful?And "irredeemably evil?"  I mean, is that really how it works?  Orcs*aren't* irredeemably evil.  Or else Bacha's taken us for a long ride in a covered wagon, bringin' his full-blood orc relatives right into the Pella.Mph.  Well.  Okay.  Joy's going to ask me to come back, I figure, if she lives through the fight with that damned treant.  Sounds like if I want there to *be* a heaven for Ana and the rest of the kids--and their kids--to get to, there's more that needs doin' down there.  Unless you've got someone lined up to replace me that you think'll do a better job.  I am just an old man.  When I'm not dead, anyway.So about that Tree.  You said "All it would take is one leaf or twig for Joy to transport my Champions to that place."  It seemed like the tree was sorta . . . uh, simultaneously in both the world and that other place.So . .  . can we just pluck a leaf off the tree in the world and use that to go to the other place?  Or what about the "Arms of the First Oak"--is *it* from the aspect of the tree in that other place, maybe, and could we use it to go there?  Or . . . what?So the Tolnan Heart Tree is kinda like a branch of the gigantic tree.  Do the other branches of the gigantic tree all form, like, other heart trees? Where?  Are they in the world, or . . . or. . . .Is the whole gigantic tree sick?  It's awful damn big.  It . . . it's likea . . . is it Yggdrasil?  I've heard of a big tree named Yggdrasil thatholds up the world and other . .  worlds.  Planes, I guess.  But I thought they guy telling me this was Other-touched.  At the very least he was drunk.  Because if it holds up all the planes, what does it GROW in?</blockquote>

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