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Does 3/3.5E cause more "rule arguments" than earlier editions?
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<blockquote data-quote="BroccoliRage" data-source="post: 3093182" data-attributes="member: 38402"><p>I do feel that the current edition is a little too much like miniature wargaming, and I'm not surprised by that at all. WOTC's biggest sellers for a long time were games like Mage Knight and Magic: The Gathering. They took tried and tested formulas and ran with them. That's good marketing and a good way to sell the game as new, you can't begrudge them that. It's a competitive market, and we live in capitalism. I preferred TSR's way of doing things, but when a business has rough times like they did and chooses to sell their rights to another company, you gotta hand it to the purchasing company when they breathe life back into it, regardless of your opinion of the product.</p><p></p><p>I don't think that the current edition is inferior for that, it's only due to preference that I don't play it. I don't want to learn a new fantasy system, though I don't have a problem sitting in on a game. I don't think a system can be blamed for the amount of rules lawyers attracted to it, because often that depends on the popularity and availibility of the system. D&D3e is the most widely played, mostly easily and readily availible table top rpg (go into a Walden Books, Borders, or other chain bookstore and you'll see), so of course you'll find more rules lawyers. That isn't a flaw in the system, just a sign of the times. 3e is the hottest table-top rpg, so it has more fans. More fans=more rules lawyers.</p><p></p><p>Some of the attitude may have changed, and the game is more standardized now than it ever was. Of course the guidelines have gone through a major overhaul, but I don't think that any edition of any game fosters rules lawyering any more than others. It lies solely in the attitudes of the players, a system/edition is only a group of formulas. </p><p></p><p>Regarding the side debate, I don't feel that DM who chooses to work within the rules as written is inferior to a DM who takes a more active role in disambiguation, arbitrition, or overhauling/omitting of rules. You can't be superior at something like role playing, it's too subjective a ground and without a standard outside opinions to measure from. I don't like to limit myself when unnneccescary, but other DM's may enjoy the challenge of working within someone else's rules, or need the framework.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BroccoliRage, post: 3093182, member: 38402"] I do feel that the current edition is a little too much like miniature wargaming, and I'm not surprised by that at all. WOTC's biggest sellers for a long time were games like Mage Knight and Magic: The Gathering. They took tried and tested formulas and ran with them. That's good marketing and a good way to sell the game as new, you can't begrudge them that. It's a competitive market, and we live in capitalism. I preferred TSR's way of doing things, but when a business has rough times like they did and chooses to sell their rights to another company, you gotta hand it to the purchasing company when they breathe life back into it, regardless of your opinion of the product. I don't think that the current edition is inferior for that, it's only due to preference that I don't play it. I don't want to learn a new fantasy system, though I don't have a problem sitting in on a game. I don't think a system can be blamed for the amount of rules lawyers attracted to it, because often that depends on the popularity and availibility of the system. D&D3e is the most widely played, mostly easily and readily availible table top rpg (go into a Walden Books, Borders, or other chain bookstore and you'll see), so of course you'll find more rules lawyers. That isn't a flaw in the system, just a sign of the times. 3e is the hottest table-top rpg, so it has more fans. More fans=more rules lawyers. Some of the attitude may have changed, and the game is more standardized now than it ever was. Of course the guidelines have gone through a major overhaul, but I don't think that any edition of any game fosters rules lawyering any more than others. It lies solely in the attitudes of the players, a system/edition is only a group of formulas. Regarding the side debate, I don't feel that DM who chooses to work within the rules as written is inferior to a DM who takes a more active role in disambiguation, arbitrition, or overhauling/omitting of rules. You can't be superior at something like role playing, it's too subjective a ground and without a standard outside opinions to measure from. I don't like to limit myself when unnneccescary, but other DM's may enjoy the challenge of working within someone else's rules, or need the framework. [/QUOTE]
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