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<blockquote data-quote="molonel" data-source="post: 3258188" data-attributes="member: 10412"><p>Nostalgia is what you feel for a game you probably haven't played very much. I played it when you could buy new 1e books off the shelf. I can look at what I liked about 1st Edition, and incorporate those elements into my gameplay now. You're still struggling to figure out if you can play 3rd Edition without powergaming. I'm completely at peace with what I liked about previous editions, and completely at peace with the game, now. If I had to state my order of preference, I like 3rd Edition best, then 1st Edition, then 2nd Edition. </p><p></p><p>I feel no nostalgia because I realize that there were a lot of things about 1st Edition that were rather silly. </p><p></p><p>It was a great game. My 1e books are well-thumbed, and I can still pull them off the shelf and start reading on any page with interest. But I can recognize the problems with the game the same way I recognize the problems in 3rd Edition. 3.X is not a perfect game, either. Some of the problems raised in this thread deal with its very real faults. </p><p></p><p>But the main problem with 3rd Edition is NOT that it simply isn't more like 1st Edition. Making it mechanically similar to 1st Edition would be a mistake.</p><p></p><p>Nolstalgia is not a positive thing. It's putting on rose-colored glasses to look at something, and ignoring its faults.</p><p></p><p>In my opinion, that is what you're doing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Pardon me. The goddess Lolth, ruler of an entire plane, had 66 hit points. I missed it by 33. My bad.</p><p></p><p>I think you need to decide, though, whether 3rd Edition compels you to be a rampant powergamer, or whether we just don't understand how powerful you had to be in 1st Edition game to defeat the goddess Lolth, because these two positions aren't quite meshing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I had an extraordinary DM, thanks for asking. Lolth was still a joke. I think in the Greyhawk novel, Queen of the Demonweb Pits, they stuffed her into a Portable Hole filled with holy water. My eyes ached for days from rolling them into the back of my head.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>....eeeeeeeexcept it does.</p><p></p><p>D&D is the top game in a market that competes more heavily with better-designed and more aggressive competitors. Did Gary Gygax have to compete with World of Warcraft selling a million copies in the first week of its release? No, he didn't. And he'd be crapping in his pants if he did.</p><p></p><p>When D&D came out, there was nothing else like it. We had Pong for video games, back then. Remember? Oh wait. You couldn't, because you weren't there. GURPS was a distant blip on the horizon. World of Darkness wasn't even an angst-ridden gleam in eyes of goths who didn't exist.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Crappy books are nothing new to 3rd Edition, nor to 2nd Edition, nor to 1st Edition. 2nd Edition: Complete Book of What? And lest we forget, 1st Edition gave us the glorious tradition of writing down the hit point totals of gods. We used to call the 1st Edition Deities and Demigods the Hunting Manual for Gods. When I was in junior high school, I had friends who ran battles against the Knights of the Round Table so that they could loot Excalibur. A friend of mine was so proud when he figured out a way to kill Elric, and use the Ring of Kings to defeat Thor and take Mjolnir.</p><p></p><p>Ah, those were the days!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Indeed it is. But that is my opinion, and I have every right to hold it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="molonel, post: 3258188, member: 10412"] Nostalgia is what you feel for a game you probably haven't played very much. I played it when you could buy new 1e books off the shelf. I can look at what I liked about 1st Edition, and incorporate those elements into my gameplay now. You're still struggling to figure out if you can play 3rd Edition without powergaming. I'm completely at peace with what I liked about previous editions, and completely at peace with the game, now. If I had to state my order of preference, I like 3rd Edition best, then 1st Edition, then 2nd Edition. I feel no nostalgia because I realize that there were a lot of things about 1st Edition that were rather silly. It was a great game. My 1e books are well-thumbed, and I can still pull them off the shelf and start reading on any page with interest. But I can recognize the problems with the game the same way I recognize the problems in 3rd Edition. 3.X is not a perfect game, either. Some of the problems raised in this thread deal with its very real faults. But the main problem with 3rd Edition is NOT that it simply isn't more like 1st Edition. Making it mechanically similar to 1st Edition would be a mistake. Nolstalgia is not a positive thing. It's putting on rose-colored glasses to look at something, and ignoring its faults. In my opinion, that is what you're doing. Pardon me. The goddess Lolth, ruler of an entire plane, had 66 hit points. I missed it by 33. My bad. I think you need to decide, though, whether 3rd Edition compels you to be a rampant powergamer, or whether we just don't understand how powerful you had to be in 1st Edition game to defeat the goddess Lolth, because these two positions aren't quite meshing. I had an extraordinary DM, thanks for asking. Lolth was still a joke. I think in the Greyhawk novel, Queen of the Demonweb Pits, they stuffed her into a Portable Hole filled with holy water. My eyes ached for days from rolling them into the back of my head. ....eeeeeeeexcept it does. D&D is the top game in a market that competes more heavily with better-designed and more aggressive competitors. Did Gary Gygax have to compete with World of Warcraft selling a million copies in the first week of its release? No, he didn't. And he'd be crapping in his pants if he did. When D&D came out, there was nothing else like it. We had Pong for video games, back then. Remember? Oh wait. You couldn't, because you weren't there. GURPS was a distant blip on the horizon. World of Darkness wasn't even an angst-ridden gleam in eyes of goths who didn't exist. Crappy books are nothing new to 3rd Edition, nor to 2nd Edition, nor to 1st Edition. 2nd Edition: Complete Book of What? And lest we forget, 1st Edition gave us the glorious tradition of writing down the hit point totals of gods. We used to call the 1st Edition Deities and Demigods the Hunting Manual for Gods. When I was in junior high school, I had friends who ran battles against the Knights of the Round Table so that they could loot Excalibur. A friend of mine was so proud when he figured out a way to kill Elric, and use the Ring of Kings to defeat Thor and take Mjolnir. Ah, those were the days! Indeed it is. But that is my opinion, and I have every right to hold it. [/QUOTE]
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