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<blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 3270594" data-attributes="member: 307">Completely untrue. Foes who are an appropriate level challenege him, and the question of his power is salient. Foes who are below that appropriate level are nuisances at best, and mostly completely irrelevant. For a 20th level wizard character (for example) a CR 10 foe is totally outclassed in such a way that having the ability to fight one with a sword is completley meaningless. The foe is no challenge at all, no more than killing a mouse would be to you, so whether he has some other way of dealing with it or not is a question of no import.And dipping into the prestige class results in its own drawbacks - most of the ones that mitigate ASF do not have full spell progression, don't have bonus feats, and so on, so you give up benefits to get the benefits of the prestige class. But that isn't the question you asked. You asked about the 1 level of fighter dip. resorting to saying &quot;you could take levels in yet another class that will cost you even more to offset the problems of the dip seems to me to prove my point. The dip isn't a problem.I'm not, and yet I am still correct.I'm not. if you go back and read the thread, you will find that I said that dipping makes you less effective at lower levels. That dipping delays your progression to higher level abilities. It was the &quot;dipping is the way to ULTIMATE POWER&quot; guys who said &quot;it doesn't matter over 20 levels&quot;. Dipping is likely to hamper your power at the moment of dipping, and is generally, at best a power neutral choice.Being a specialist may or may not be &quot;better&quot; than being a generalist. However, being a generalist doesn't get you any additional benefit in most cases int he 3e system, since your &quot;generalized&quot; abilities often don't match up to where they need to be for the foes you face. And when they do, the foes are trivial ones, who the specialist can still deal with at least as well or better than you can.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Storm Raven, post: 3270594, member: 307"] Completely untrue. Foes who are an appropriate level challenege him, and the question of his power is salient. Foes who are below that appropriate level are nuisances at best, and mostly completely irrelevant. For a 20th level wizard character (for example) a CR 10 foe is totally outclassed in such a way that having the ability to fight one with a sword is completley meaningless. The foe is no challenge at all, no more than killing a mouse would be to you, so whether he has some other way of dealing with it or not is a question of no import. And dipping into the prestige class results in its own drawbacks - most of the ones that mitigate ASF do not have full spell progression, don't have bonus feats, and so on, so you give up benefits to get the benefits of the prestige class. But that isn't the question you asked. You asked about the 1 level of fighter dip. resorting to saying "you could take levels in [i]yet another class that will cost you even more[/i] to offset the problems of the dip seems to me to prove my point. The dip isn't a problem. I'm not, and yet I am still correct. I'm not. if you go back and read the thread, you will find that I said that dipping makes you less effective at lower levels. That dipping delays your progression to higher level abilities. It was the "dipping is the way to ULTIMATE POWER" guys who said "it doesn't matter over 20 levels". Dipping is likely to hamper your power [i]at the moment of dipping[/i], and is generally, at best a power neutral choice. Being a specialist may or may not be "better" than being a generalist. However, being a generalist doesn't get you any additional benefit in most cases int he 3e system, since your "generalized" abilities often don't match up to where they need to be for the foes you face. And when they do, the foes are trivial ones, who the specialist can [i]still[/i] deal with at least as well or better than you can. [/QUOTE]

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