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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 3270853" data-attributes="member: 18280">Pick a CR 10 foe.  Show me your CR 20 wizard.  I guarantee that I can write an encounter using your foe and your wizard that is challenging.  And, I bet, so can 90% of the people on EN World.  I am not the only one here who has made changes to the baseline.  I assume that the average person here can do the same.  That isn't arrogance; that's an assumption of standard competence.Um.....You are aware of the difference between a creature's Challenge Rating and the Encounter Level of an encounter that might feature said creature, aren't you?  If not, that might explain why you can't create an challenging encounter for a lvl 20 character using a CR 10 foe.  If you meant to say that an EL 10 encounter isn't challenging to a party of lvl 20 characters then...so long as you change the meaning of the term "EL" to match any adjustments to the relative power of lvl 20 characters....you are correct by definition.EDIT:  The obvious exception, of course, is when the EL 10 encounter is part of a series of encounters, and the character is drained due to previous encounters to the point where the EL 10 encounter is challenging.It would also explain comments like "you have made the fundamental mistake of changing the nature of the challenge without realizing you have done so."No.  I realize that I have done so.  What you fail to realize is that the advantages of specialization are not absolute, given any campaign environment in which conditions exist that can limit the specialist in his trade.If you'd like to make this argument, you can use a wizard as base class, and at each level see what benefits are gained from taking either a wizard or a fighter level.  Then you could start as a fighter and see what benefits are gained at each level by taking a barbarian level.  For my purposes, the first six levels would be sufficient for you to demonstrate your point.RC</blockquote>

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