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<blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 4667618" data-attributes="member: 40961">1. I think survival horror works fine in 4e.&nbsp; Now, instead of just saving one resource, spells, everyone is saving daily powers and healing surges.&nbsp; Just think- survival horror with an actual mechanic to represent fatigue!&nbsp; In my games, things get awfully tense once you get near the end of a long, hard day, and at least one player knows that if they go down in the next encounter, they may not be able to get back up.&nbsp;2. Investigation games are an odd duck.&nbsp;In 3e, investigation games often turned into &quot;find the right spell&quot; games.&nbsp; The DM played a sort of cat and mouse with the players, where they tried to find spells that would solve the mystery, and he came up with reasons they wouldn't work.&nbsp; &quot;Ah, but this corpse has been damaged so that you can't use Speak with Dead!&quot;&nbsp; Etc.&nbsp; That sort of thing seems to be gone, although rituals might bring it back if we get enough of them.&nbsp;But if you're not playing a magical mcguyver detective story, 4e... it doesn't facilitate it any more than 3e did, and it doesn't get in the way any more than 3e did.&nbsp; In both cases you're using a game system with a massive combat engine and not using it for combat.&nbsp;I'm just thinking back on investigative storylines I've done in the past, and I can't see them not working in 4e.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cadfan, post: 4667618, member: 40961"] 1. I think survival horror works fine in 4e. Now, instead of just saving one resource, spells, everyone is saving daily powers and healing surges. Just think- survival horror with an actual mechanic to represent fatigue! In my games, things get awfully tense once you get near the end of a long, hard day, and at least one player knows that if they go down in the next encounter, they may not be able to get back up. 2. Investigation games are an odd duck. In 3e, investigation games often turned into "find the right spell" games. The DM played a sort of cat and mouse with the players, where they tried to find spells that would solve the mystery, and he came up with reasons they wouldn't work. "Ah, but this corpse has been damaged so that you can't use Speak with Dead!" Etc. That sort of thing seems to be gone, although rituals might bring it back if we get enough of them. But if you're not playing a magical mcguyver detective story, 4e... it doesn't facilitate it any more than 3e did, and it doesn't get in the way any more than 3e did. In both cases you're using a game system with a massive combat engine and not using it for combat. I'm just thinking back on investigative storylines I've done in the past, and I can't see them not working in 4e. [/QUOTE]

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