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<blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 4668055" data-attributes="member: 40961">That's a fancy argument, Kamikaze, but I have to say, I got awfully sick of trying to run investigative scenarios in 3e and having to deal with Detect Evil, Speak with Dead, Locate Object and the like.&nbsp; I know that a character who solves a murder mystery by just asking the victim what happened is still engaged in investigation, so its not like the story didn't happen.&nbsp; But the ability to bypass interviewing witnesses and scrounging for clues by the use of magic circumscribed my ability to tell an investigative story more than it helped.&nbsp;I also know that you can get around those spells with carefully crafted scenarios (the bad guy is true neutral, not evil, the victim's corpse was mangled to prevent it from speaking, the murder weapon is too unknown or too far away for you to locate it with magic, etc).&nbsp; But that just meant that investigative scenarios fell into two categories: 1. the very short, and 2. ones that began with me nerfing all of the I WIN buttons the PCs possessed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cadfan, post: 4668055, member: 40961"] That's a fancy argument, Kamikaze, but I have to say, I got awfully sick of trying to run investigative scenarios in 3e and having to deal with Detect Evil, Speak with Dead, Locate Object and the like. I know that a character who solves a murder mystery by just asking the victim what happened is still engaged in investigation, so its not like the story didn't happen. But the ability to bypass interviewing witnesses and scrounging for clues by the use of magic circumscribed my ability to tell an investigative story more than it helped. I also know that you can get around those spells with carefully crafted scenarios (the bad guy is true neutral, not evil, the victim's corpse was mangled to prevent it from speaking, the murder weapon is too unknown or too far away for you to locate it with magic, etc). But that just meant that investigative scenarios fell into two categories: 1. the very short, and 2. ones that began with me nerfing all of the I WIN buttons the PCs possessed. [/QUOTE]

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