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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 4674052" data-attributes="member: 48965">Section on realism??... a paragraph or two on one page of the DMG is hardly a section on realism and I stand by my assertion it could have been more clearly conveyed and stated... especially in the actual section dealing with DC's (both in the PHB and in the DMG). In fact all this paragraph says is that if two doors look similar they should have similar DC's...or the DM should come up with a reason for why they don't.&nbsp;&nbsp;Please name me another roelplaying game with a skill system where determining the difficulty for said skills is done in two different (arbitrary) ways. I can't think of any off hand. It's confusing and unnecessary.&nbsp;On an aside... so how do I describe a &quot;paragon-tier&quot; lock then. I mean if it's to complicated for the game's writers and designers to describe it, how am I suppose to do it in game...that's why I don't really buy that reasoning.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And again all of this could have been more clearly and better stated. I'm not exactly sure what you are arguing, that they did a great job conveying this... because with so much initial confusion I would say no they didn't ... or that ranking DC's by descriptors in some skills and then by &quot;tiers&quot; in others is intuitive, consistent, and coherent? Again I would say it's not. &nbsp;explain to me why the rule of thumb for an improvised action is 10(easy) 15(moderate) or 20(hard) +1/2 the PC's level? This would seem to indicate PC level and not the level of the challenge is used to determine the DC...right? Well then again we hit a wall where everything PC's are attempting on the fly is perfectly scaled to their level. That's not realistic...and it also informs (at least in my mind) how the chart on page 42 is supposed to be used. If this is not the casse...again it could have been conveyed in a much clearer fashion.&nbsp;Now, by frequenting forums, messageboards, etc. I understand how it all relates... but how many gamers don't frequent messageboards?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 4674052, member: 48965"] Section on realism??... a paragraph or two on one page of the DMG is hardly a section on realism and I stand by my assertion it could have been more clearly conveyed and stated... especially in the actual section dealing with DC's (both in the PHB and in the DMG). In fact all this paragraph says is that if two doors look similar they should have similar DC's...or the DM should come up with a reason for why they don't. Please name me another roelplaying game with a skill system where determining the difficulty for said skills is done in two different (arbitrary) ways. I can't think of any off hand. It's confusing and unnecessary. On an aside... so how do I describe a "paragon-tier" lock then. I mean if it's to complicated for the game's writers and designers to describe it, how am I suppose to do it in game...that's why I don't really buy that reasoning. And again all of this could have been more clearly and better stated. I'm not exactly sure what you are arguing, that they did a great job conveying this... because with so much initial confusion I would say no they didn't ... or that ranking DC's by descriptors in some skills and then by "tiers" in others is intuitive, consistent, and coherent? Again I would say it's not. explain to me why the rule of thumb for an improvised action is 10(easy) 15(moderate) or 20(hard) +1/2 the PC's level? This would seem to indicate PC level and not the level of the challenge is used to determine the DC...right? Well then again we hit a wall where everything PC's are attempting on the fly is perfectly scaled to their level. That's not realistic...and it also informs (at least in my mind) how the chart on page 42 is supposed to be used. If this is not the casse...again it could have been conveyed in a much clearer fashion. Now, by frequenting forums, messageboards, etc. I understand how it all relates... but how many gamers don't frequent messageboards? [/QUOTE]

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