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<blockquote data-quote="jbear" data-source="post: 4680784" data-attributes="member: 75065">Ok, the log from one's own eye is probably Aesop's Fables as well, better?. I'm not religious, but the Bible still has many pearls of wisdom. Find the pearls in the pig trough shall we say.&nbsp;Yes, I read what you wrote about fun, and I got the impression that drama and fun are neither synonymous or essential in your game. As I said before, this is where you lost me. I can imagine the investment and energy you have invested in your world is&nbsp; monumental. &nbsp;Where I personally disagree is that 4e's have fun/say yes philosophy should be recriminated for being 'restrictive to one's game', although funnily enough, obviously in your case that is so.&nbsp;You say you're not trying to convince anyone that they are doing it wrong, yet you do use phrases like :&quot;No, they are not&quot; (referring to PC's being special), which don't leave room for much doubt you think they are doing it wrong.&nbsp;If you have players that are into your game then great. 4e isn't for you, but I don't think you'd be willing to change to any other system no matter what it was, considering all the work you've put into your game. That doesn't mean that 'Everyone Should Have Fun' as a design philosophy for a game is a bad design.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jbear, post: 4680784, member: 75065"] Ok, the log from one's own eye is probably Aesop's Fables as well, better?. I'm not religious, but the Bible still has many pearls of wisdom. Find the pearls in the pig trough shall we say. Yes, I read what you wrote about fun, and I got the impression that drama and fun are neither synonymous or essential in your game. As I said before, this is where you lost me. I can imagine the investment and energy you have invested in your world is monumental. Where I personally disagree is that 4e's have fun/say yes philosophy should be recriminated for being 'restrictive to one's game', although funnily enough, obviously in your case that is so. You say you're not trying to convince anyone that they are doing it wrong, yet you do use phrases like :"No, they are not" (referring to PC's being special), which don't leave room for much doubt you think they are doing it wrong. If you have players that are into your game then great. 4e isn't for you, but I don't think you'd be willing to change to any other system no matter what it was, considering all the work you've put into your game. That doesn't mean that 'Everyone Should Have Fun' as a design philosophy for a game is a bad design. [/QUOTE]

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