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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Halivar" data-source="post: 4680975" data-attributes="member: 9327">Average in the sense that players in these games have no more special access to levels and classes than any NPC does.I think we have similar solutions to the problem. The only difference is in degrees of implementation.A fair question. The only answer I got is this: levels are the primary means by which characters break verisimilitude to acquire game/narrative powers, and I don't want all my NPC's to do this. In accepting that I am going for that kind of game, I'm also tactily deciding that the game is focused on the players and not the milieu.For milieu games*, I would demand a levelless, universal system more suited to simulationism. And I would have a backup character ready for when mine bites the dust.*EDIT: My apologies for throwing out lingo without explaining it. When I say "milieu game", I mean it in the sense that one would mean it for speculative fiction: a game focused on setting. Orson Scott Card writes that there are three types of fantasy and sci-fi fiction, and I think these three types translate almost directly into RPG's: milieu stories (it's about the setting), event stories (it's about what's happening from moment to moment), and character stories (it's about character development). I tend to prefer "character games" over "event games" and "milieu games".</blockquote>