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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 509212" data-attributes="member: 5834">ReYou know, some of the arguments on here were actually decent such as those bringing up the fact that fear caused death rather than an attack upon the life force. I can relate to this argument.Some of the poster's reasoning was absolutely pathetic. Just because a fireball hits you for damage that will kill you is in no way a save or die spell per the D&amp;D definition. Anyone who would interpret a death effect or magical death attack this way is being rather block-headed to say the least. Your grasp of D&amp;D jargon and the English language must make you do such things as &quot;Jump off the nearest bridge&quot; because someone in authority told you to do so and you could interpret this statement in no other way than literally.The summon monster argument was so pathetic that not even posters who believed PK was not a death effect bought into it.I am sorry, death from massive damage or poison is still not protected by death ward. Why? They are neither a death effect or a magical death attack. PK falls into the second category in my opinion because it is a magical death attack, even if not directly a death effect such as Death touch or a Bodak's gaze. The Poison spell is also not a save or die spell. It causes ability damage that may or may not result in death. Big difference.In D&amp;D,&nbsp; a save or die spell means simply save or die, no more, no less. PK falls in this category as it has no other effect.I do wish WOTC would have given more of an explanation as to why DW protects against PK, but since my gaming group was still undecided, we are going to let WOTC customer support cast the deciding vote.I am finished with this thread.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 509212, member: 5834"] [b]Re[/b] You know, some of the arguments on here were actually decent such as those bringing up the fact that fear caused death rather than an attack upon the life force. I can relate to this argument. Some of the poster's reasoning was absolutely pathetic. Just because a fireball hits you for damage that will kill you is in no way a save or die spell per the D&D definition. Anyone who would interpret a death effect or magical death attack this way is being rather block-headed to say the least. Your grasp of D&D jargon and the English language must make you do such things as "Jump off the nearest bridge" because someone in authority told you to do so and you could interpret this statement in no other way than literally. The summon monster argument was so pathetic that not even posters who believed PK was not a death effect bought into it. I am sorry, death from massive damage or poison is still not protected by death ward. Why? They are neither a death effect or a magical death attack. PK falls into the second category in my opinion because it is a magical death attack, even if not directly a death effect such as Death touch or a Bodak's gaze. The Poison spell is also not a save or die spell. It causes ability damage that may or may not result in death. Big difference. In D&D, a save or die spell means simply save or die, no more, no less. PK falls in this category as it has no other effect. I do wish WOTC would have given more of an explanation as to why DW protects against PK, but since my gaming group was still undecided, we are going to let WOTC customer support cast the deciding vote. I am finished with this thread. [/QUOTE]

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