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<blockquote data-quote="Gorgon Zee" data-source="post: 8808633" data-attributes="member: 75787">Agreed on 4E being more gamist. I ran RM for many years and, hmmm, I'm not sure I agree with you there though. There is a fair amount of randomness in the tables, and I think that would be the part that would be most noticeable. For combat, you'd get a lot of results that were A, B and C crits and higher crits would be rare. But apart from that, most of the complexity is player-facing. In a way, it's a bit similar to 13th Age that the &quot;noticeable fun&quot; comes from randomness of monster attacks. In fact, RM might be kind of an interesting case where the players would rapidly notice that you weren't rolling d20, but the game might not suffer much. After all, rolling a 75 with a rapier is so radically different than 75 with a mace that it wouldn't be tedious for the players to know the GM had limited results. And, thinking back on my campaigns, unusual rolls were nearly always only memorable when players made them. The only exception I can recall is the mountain guide with +140 in climbing saying &quot;you take my ring of falling; I don't really need it&quot; and then proceeding to open end low and fall to his death. But apart from that? Can't think of anything.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gorgon Zee, post: 8808633, member: 75787"] Agreed on 4E being more gamist. I ran RM for many years and, hmmm, I'm not sure I agree with you there though. There is a fair amount of randomness in the tables, and I think that would be the part that would be most noticeable. For combat, you'd get a lot of results that were A, B and C crits and higher crits would be rare. But apart from that, most of the complexity is player-facing. In a way, it's a bit similar to 13th Age that the "noticeable fun" comes from randomness of monster attacks. In fact, RM might be kind of an interesting case where the players would rapidly notice that you weren't rolling d20, but the game might not suffer much. After all, rolling a 75 with a rapier is so radically different than 75 with a mace that it wouldn't be tedious for the players to know the GM had limited results. And, thinking back on my campaigns, unusual rolls were nearly always only memorable when players made them. The only exception I can recall is the mountain guide with +140 in climbing saying "you take my ring of falling; I don't really need it" and then proceeding to open end low and fall to his death. But apart from that? Can't think of anything. [/QUOTE]

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