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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zelda Themelin" data-source="post: 115188" data-attributes="member: 167">Yep, how true. Unfortunaly, at time of 2nd edition, there was no neutral planar book. Planes were supposed to be - Planescape, that's that. When they still marketed system, they didn't say how different it was going to be, or that it was place to 1st edition characters to live now, it was supposed to be 2nd edition planar book, with name 'Planescape'. It was not that, when it appeared.So, people like me, who had been waiting for new planar book for 2nd edition, we never got that.So, if we wanted to know about planes, there was no choice. It was either PS or Ist edition book, that was pretty Fantasy-'Earth' in mythos level, expect for few non-human deities, and spells and many other rule things had been outdated (spellnames changed etc).If you say Planescape was not meant to be cosmos for, let's say, Forgotten Realms, read again, there was a lot of PS stuff in modules etc.I really don't get idea, it was not supposed to be planar system of every TSR world out there. Even Spelljammer was supposed to be, but SJ was easy thing to dismiss, since it was new thing.And if you have ever for example checked Concordant Opposition of 1st edition, you probably understand better 'corruption of PS' I am referring to. Placement of Sigil in map is absurb 1st editon planar concept in mind and little things like this.I am not Planescape hater, or anything like that. Guess I dislike the false marketing at the time.And fact there never was good source book for those people, who didn't want to start 1st level plane-dwelling  characters.Even MoP is 'lamer' now than it's 1st editon book used to be. Much better written and good sourcebook still, and I like it.</blockquote>

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