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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Deadboy" data-source="post: 5788372" data-attributes="member: 61779">The ship has already left on the changing the D&D paradigm thing. 4th did it. If 4th hadn't done things slightly differently, no one would be questioning the mook 1st level paradigm. And I still feel like 4th level characters are beginners while not being boring to play and dying so quickly that I spent longer writing my four pages of character background then I did playing the character. I don't see how the way I suggested things working forces anyone to do anything. You get your mook levels. The rest of us don't have to play those without having to skip level 1. If the level 0 stuff is roughly equivalent to a starting 1e/2e/3e character and level 1 is roughly equivalent to a 4e character, then everyone has a starting point they can like. D&DN is likely going to deal with a lot of things using modular subsystems. As a 4e fan, I'm most likely looking at much of what I like about my edition becoming optional rules - tactical minis combat, encounters and dailies for martial characters, who knows what else... Matter of fact, it's sounding like most of everything except the very most basics will be relegated to optional subsystems, regardless of the edition they came from. So why wouldn't it also be fair to relegate something that only appeals to one playstyle to an optional subsystem? It's not like your playstyle precludes slightly more heroic characters, its part of the levelling process to you. *shrug* I guess in the end we're both getting hung up on wanting to see level 1 being the baseline for our own style of play. I just feel that catering to your playstyle and forcing me to start at level 3 or 5 or whatever is more exclusionary than creating an optional subsystem to cater to yours, so that you're getting extra content AND not skipping level 1, especially when this is going to be the game OF optional subsystems.</blockquote>

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