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<blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 4348862" data-attributes="member: 59082"><p>A. As the OP, I admit that I was incorrect in my assessment that Dragonborn and Tielfing are "universally despised." But...</p><p></p><p>B. They certainly aren't enormously admired or liked; they are more popular than I thought, but there is a chunk of people that don't like them. That said, I would imagine that the more traditional races might have similar degrees of popularity (it would be interesting to poll on each race to see which are more and less liked; my guess is that gnomes and halflings, maybe half-elves, are all less popular than dragonborn and tieflings).</p><p></p><p>C. I agree with Korgoth: Not everything is or need be political. Not is everything anti- or pro- 4E. </p><p></p><p>D. Furthermore, I would suggest not taking certain phrases too literally or as solid dogma; my usage of "universally despised" was obviously overly dramatic and inaccurate, but I didn't mean it in a heavy handed or permanent way. I should have used less strong language, but I certainly didn't mean it to be set in stone (Yet another semantic wrangle on ENWorld <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />). This is symptomatic of taking things too politically here; notice how when a politician says something somewhat controversial, pundits hold onto it and chew over it endlessly, like a dog gnawing on a bone. What is worse about the internet is that you can always go back and say, "Look what he said! That is his permanent, fixed viewpoint." Even if something was said in-the-moment, somewhat whimsically, and/or for effect. So yeah, I think it would behoove all of us to take things a bit more lightly around here. And of course I should probably be more careful with my language and "de-incendiarize" it a bit <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>E. Finally, after reading the Dragonborn and Tiefling entries in greater depth, I have to officially change my vote from "dislike" to "indifferent" (or more accurately, ambivalent or mixed as I like aspects of them, and dislike others). I actually like the history and the general idea of both, but just don't like the visual presentation: I think both look silly. So if I use them in a campaign I would change their look considerably, toning down the "monsteryness" of both--and making members of both races be more variant in appearance. I might get rid of breath weapon too. But I was basing my earlier opinion, erroneously I might add, on style more than substance. The core idea of both races is interesting enough for me to consider use in a campaign, with significant modification (if largely cosmetic).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercurius, post: 4348862, member: 59082"] A. As the OP, I admit that I was incorrect in my assessment that Dragonborn and Tielfing are "universally despised." But... B. They certainly aren't enormously admired or liked; they are more popular than I thought, but there is a chunk of people that don't like them. That said, I would imagine that the more traditional races might have similar degrees of popularity (it would be interesting to poll on each race to see which are more and less liked; my guess is that gnomes and halflings, maybe half-elves, are all less popular than dragonborn and tieflings). C. I agree with Korgoth: Not everything is or need be political. Not is everything anti- or pro- 4E. D. Furthermore, I would suggest not taking certain phrases too literally or as solid dogma; my usage of "universally despised" was obviously overly dramatic and inaccurate, but I didn't mean it in a heavy handed or permanent way. I should have used less strong language, but I certainly didn't mean it to be set in stone (Yet another semantic wrangle on ENWorld ;)). This is symptomatic of taking things too politically here; notice how when a politician says something somewhat controversial, pundits hold onto it and chew over it endlessly, like a dog gnawing on a bone. What is worse about the internet is that you can always go back and say, "Look what he said! That is his permanent, fixed viewpoint." Even if something was said in-the-moment, somewhat whimsically, and/or for effect. So yeah, I think it would behoove all of us to take things a bit more lightly around here. And of course I should probably be more careful with my language and "de-incendiarize" it a bit ;) E. Finally, after reading the Dragonborn and Tiefling entries in greater depth, I have to officially change my vote from "dislike" to "indifferent" (or more accurately, ambivalent or mixed as I like aspects of them, and dislike others). I actually like the history and the general idea of both, but just don't like the visual presentation: I think both look silly. So if I use them in a campaign I would change their look considerably, toning down the "monsteryness" of both--and making members of both races be more variant in appearance. I might get rid of breath weapon too. But I was basing my earlier opinion, erroneously I might add, on style more than substance. The core idea of both races is interesting enough for me to consider use in a campaign, with significant modification (if largely cosmetic). [/QUOTE]
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