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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kingskin" data-source="post: 4355997" data-attributes="member: 68607">Personally; I find the core races to be incredibly bland in 4th Ed. It just seems like lots of Elves and nothing much in between.So you've got your standard races; humans, elves, dwarves and halflings. You can't really begrudge any of them, they really are essential to a generic fantasy game (much as I dislike elves I'll admit the game needs them to be what it is). But then you've got half-elves who are really only there for people that want to play humans but want the over-the-top bonuses that come with being an elf. Still, I suppose people expect them so they're in. I don't see the point of Eladrin whatsoever, they're too much like elves. Either combine the two into a single race or ditch one or t'other. Add tieflings on top (who seem to capture the angsty elf vote) and you've got a core roster which seems mostly elf.The dragonborn I don't have such a problem with although they have the whole cliched alien-with-an-honour-system thing which makes you wonder when geekdom in general is going to get over klingons. I don't generally allow shaktar in SLA for the same reason, they're just not very inspiring when I read through the PHB. That being said, I don't think much of the 4th Ed fluff in general. But I don't want an edition war so I'll cut that train of thought off.I'd rather have seen half-orcs and think the reason for ditching them is, frankly, pathetic (because somehow offscreen-interracial sex is worse than the in-your-face wholesale slaughter the game is built around) .Anyway, it has given me the chance to play a full-blood orc when I re-imagined my character so I can't complain too bitterly.One other thing: I find warforged to be the single most boring race I think I've come across in any game. Ever. If you want to play the Terminator, surely a sci-fi game is the best platform for that? And I know you can bring up the whole 'machine trying to find it's soul' argument but I've seen the extended edition of T2 and it made a good film.  But most games aren't set up for the level of pathos (limited as it is, when you consider it) and it just comes across as something I would have loved when I was 12. I'm 29 now, and I like orcs.</blockquote>

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