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Does anyone else feel like the action economy and the way actions work in general in 5e both just suck?
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<blockquote data-quote="fearsomepirate" data-source="post: 7940250" data-attributes="member: 7021420"><p>Because learning new rules isn't fun. Playing games is fun. If whatever people know is good enough, they'll be disinclined to try something else that might take even longer to learn if it doesn't clearly offer the potential to be more fun.</p><p></p><p>A huge number of systems are basically "D&D, but ever so slightly more different this time." There are only so many permutations of sneaking up behind bugbear a to shank his kidney just before your friend blasts him with Magic Missile before they all start to blur together. Maybe 13th Age is a better version of D&D. Maybe Pathfinder 2 is. Maybe ACKS is. The problem is they're basically the same thing as far as most people are concerned, and 5e is <em>fine</em> (not perfect, but <em>fine</em>), so why bother?</p><p></p><p>What we need is something different, something that taps into a cultural moment the way D&D did originally and Vampire did in the 1990s. The difference between D&D and Vampire is that TSR managed to keep the 1970s Sword & Sorcery thing going until it outlasted the original fad, while White Wolf crashed and burned, and the goth/vampire moment passed. It's really too bad that the last time D&D had a lull, the biggest thing in RPGs was just...off-brand D&D.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fearsomepirate, post: 7940250, member: 7021420"] Because learning new rules isn't fun. Playing games is fun. If whatever people know is good enough, they'll be disinclined to try something else that might take even longer to learn if it doesn't clearly offer the potential to be more fun. A huge number of systems are basically "D&D, but ever so slightly more different this time." There are only so many permutations of sneaking up behind bugbear a to shank his kidney just before your friend blasts him with Magic Missile before they all start to blur together. Maybe 13th Age is a better version of D&D. Maybe Pathfinder 2 is. Maybe ACKS is. The problem is they're basically the same thing as far as most people are concerned, and 5e is [I]fine[/I] (not perfect, but [I]fine[/I]), so why bother? What we need is something different, something that taps into a cultural moment the way D&D did originally and Vampire did in the 1990s. The difference between D&D and Vampire is that TSR managed to keep the 1970s Sword & Sorcery thing going until it outlasted the original fad, while White Wolf crashed and burned, and the goth/vampire moment passed. It's really too bad that the last time D&D had a lull, the biggest thing in RPGs was just...off-brand D&D. [/QUOTE]
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