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<blockquote data-quote="Jaeger" data-source="post: 7940324" data-attributes="member: 27996">I readily conceded that mostly this is true - people have their comfort zones and they like to stay in them. But then they had to venture something new when they first played D&amp;D... so it is an interesting little circle of thought.First rule of getting someone to play something different than D&amp;D: Don't use a system more complicated than D&amp;D!!!They are actually right - they all are basically the same thing!Being &quot;good enough&quot; is very powerful. And D&amp;D has rode that wave successfully through most of its editions. It is a big hurdle to get people to go over.Second rule of getting someone to play something different than D&amp;D: Don't use a d20 based system!umm yeah... Not gonna happen - ever.D&amp;D is king. Vampire only outperformed D&amp;D when D&amp;D went out of print.D&amp;D was first and it was good enough. An absolutely killer combination. The rest is history.Third rule of getting someone to play something different than D&amp;D: Don't&nbsp; do vanilla fantasy!Well, WOTC f'd up with 4e. They tried to move the game in a direction to tap into the MMO market and made a lot of own goals in the process. The end result of which Pazio was in a primo position to make hay while the sun shone with thier 3.x clone.&nbsp; In hindsight; a clear mistake. In the context of the times, it's easy to see why they wanted to go in the direction that they did with 4e.And in fairness to D&amp;D, not one of their erstwhile competitors had the business savvy to stay around and relevant long enough to matter.In the erstwhile competitors defense, D&amp;D has been bailed out of bad decisions by big $$$ no less than three times already..</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jaeger, post: 7940324, member: 27996"] I readily conceded that mostly this is true - people have their comfort zones and they like to stay in them. But then they had to venture something new when they first played D&D... so it is an interesting little circle of thought. First rule of getting someone to play something different than D&D: [I][U]Don't[/U] [/I]use a system more complicated than D&D!!! They are actually right - they all are basically the same thing! Being "good enough" is very powerful. And D&D has rode that wave successfully through most of its editions. It is a big hurdle to get people to go over. Second rule of getting someone to play something different than D&D: [U][I]Don't[/I][/U] use a d20 based system! umm yeah... Not gonna happen - ever. D&D is king. Vampire only outperformed D&D when D&D went out of print. D&D was [I][U]first[/U][/I] and it was [I]good enough[/I]. An absolutely killer combination. The rest is history. Third rule of getting someone to play something different than D&D: [U][I]Don't[/I][/U] do vanilla fantasy! Well, WOTC f'd up with 4e. They tried to move the game in a direction to tap into the MMO market and made a lot of own goals in the process. The end result of which Pazio was in a primo position to make hay while the sun shone with thier 3.x clone. In hindsight; a clear mistake. In the context of the times, it's easy to see why they wanted to go in the direction that they did with 4e. And in fairness to D&D, not one of their erstwhile competitors had the business savvy to stay around and relevant long enough to matter. In the erstwhile competitors defense, D&D has been bailed out of bad decisions by big $$$ no less than three times already. . [/QUOTE]

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