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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 7941775" data-attributes="member: 93670">You are overstating things still ignoring the fact that wotc felt certain playstyles &amp; needs were important enough to include variant rules but didn't bother to make sure those rules work as is.&nbsp; There's been a lot of back &amp; forth between people about things like tactical combat AoOs &amp; the half baked Facing/Flanking rules with one side simply chanting what amounts to &quot;that isn't the niche that the rule is supposed to fill&quot; rather than addressing the obvious unfinished &amp; massively lacking state of those variant rules, but it's impossible to read&nbsp; the[spoiler=&quot;Gritty Realism Variant Rule&quot;][ATTACH=full]119895[/ATTACH][/spoiler]and think that any sane interpretation of those words should expect the intent was to turn[spoiler=&quot;these&quot;][ATTACH=full]119894[/ATTACH][/spoiler]into what amounts to at will cantrips, screw with the long/short rest class balance, or break/invalidate a bunch of spells/class abilities .&nbsp; Of course that was not the intent, that is just the result of a half baked unfinished &amp; poorly thought out variant rule wasting pagespace that could have been used for literally anything else that was complete or devoted to completing something else.&nbsp; The idea that gritty realism was intended to do that is so absurd that nobody is willing to even give it a halfhearted defense other than blaming people for wanting too much.Since it's been a while lets go back to[spoiler=&quot;Flanking&quot;][ATTACH=full]119896[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]119897[/ATTACH][/spoiler][spoiler=&quot;facing&quot;][ATTACH=full]119898[/ATTACH][/spoiler]If you read those optional rules they amount to &quot;optionally you can automatically always give players advantage on attacks and allow them to ignore an opponent's shield by walking behind the opponent each time their turn comes around&quot;.&nbsp; Much like gritty realism, those rules are an absurd waste of space that could have been devoted to literally anything else.edit:typo</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 7941775, member: 93670"] You are overstating things still ignoring the fact that wotc felt certain playstyles & needs were important enough to include variant rules but didn't bother to make sure those rules work as is. There's been a lot of back & forth between people about things like tactical combat AoOs & the half baked Facing/Flanking rules with one side simply chanting what amounts to "that isn't the niche that the rule is supposed to fill" rather than addressing the obvious unfinished & massively lacking state of those variant rules, but it's impossible to read the [spoiler="Gritty Realism Variant Rule"] [ATTACH type="full" alt="1584133885271.png"]119895[/ATTACH][/spoiler] and think that any sane interpretation of those words should expect the intent was to turn [spoiler="these"] [ATTACH type="full" alt="1584133806019.png"]119894[/ATTACH][/spoiler] into what amounts to at will cantrips, screw with the long/short rest class balance, or break/invalidate a bunch of spells/class abilities . Of course that was not the intent, that is just the result of a half baked unfinished & poorly thought out variant rule wasting pagespace that could have been used for literally anything else that was complete or devoted to completing something else. The idea that gritty realism was intended to do that is so absurd that nobody is willing to even give it a halfhearted defense other than blaming people for wanting too much. Since it's been a while lets go back to [spoiler="Flanking"][ATTACH type="full" alt="1584134369336.png"]119896[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full" alt="1584134382932.png"]119897[/ATTACH][/spoiler] [spoiler="facing"][ATTACH type="full" alt="1584134414896.png"]119898[/ATTACH][/spoiler] If you [I]read[/I] those optional rules they amount to "optionally you can automatically always give players advantage on attacks and allow them to ignore an opponent's shield by walking behind the opponent each time their turn comes around". Much like gritty realism, those rules are an absurd waste of space that could have been devoted to literally anything else. edit:typo [/QUOTE]

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