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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Darklone" data-source="post: 3257545" data-attributes="member: 1372">See two pages before. The difference you just showed is Weapon Focus and Weapon Specialisation. Two feats, one of them a class special. Not gamebreaking? YMMV. Same for bards song in that General thread. A puny +1 makes a big difference.Certainly the human has a big advantage with Cleave for level 1 and 2 or only for level 1 if the half-orc takes a fighter level... After that, the halforc is still in the lead.But why don't we compare the halforc barbarian to an elf barbarian? We compared with human and dwarf, the two best races in 3rd edition. And still the halforc is better with some drawbacks. Compare him with gnomes and halflings or half-elves.To me that's not an underpowered race. - Without flavor: yes.- Without many options: yes. Barbarian or barbarian multiclass all the way.- Weak: no. Far from it. At least as long normal orcs or half-ogres are not allowed.We don't "try hard enough", these examples have been provided to counter the argument that a halforc would be weaker than a dwarf even in his niche: Melee combat. We didn't try to show that strength is a better ability, we showed that it's the best ability in melee.</blockquote>