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Message: <blockquote data-quote="javcs" data-source="post: 3258396" data-attributes="member: 43677">Because of the fact that if you use the exact same build, which you shouldn't if you're comparing optimizations, you'll get different results for different builds. Unless you use a completely neutral build type (which is rather difficult to do).My point earlier was that half-orcs do well, in a specific build, possibly the best in that build type, particularly at lower levels, but isn't very versatile in the types of builds he can do. However, the other races do as well in their own specific builds, and are still good in other builds. Furthermore, the other races are more useful outside of pure combat situations and those requiring raw strength, admittedly, most of the bonuses the other races get are minor and mostly flavor oriented, but half-orcs get nothing.If you look at more aspects of race, how many race specific PrCs/feats are there for half-orcs? I can't think of many offhand, while almost every other race has a respectable number of PrCs/feats for them, some of which are specifically anti-orc.</blockquote>