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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 8817022" data-attributes="member: 7006">I think &quot;playtest&quot; is probably the wrong word to use actually (based upon traditional usage.)&nbsp; All of us in the general public are not meant to be &quot;testing&quot; the &quot;game&quot; part of these rules to make sure the rules work 100%.&nbsp; They have their own internal and external alpha and beta testers for that.&nbsp; This was true for D&amp;D Next, has been true through all the UAs, and is true for One D&amp;D.&nbsp; We are not here to make sure the rules &quot;work&quot;.What we are here for is to give our impressions of interest and usability of the rules they present us.&nbsp; Do we like these ideas they are putting forth?&nbsp; Do they make us say to ourselves &quot;Hmm!&nbsp; That's a good change!&nbsp; I like that idea!&quot;... or do we say &quot;Ugh!&nbsp; Why the heck are they doing that?!?&quot;&nbsp; And they are using those responses to determine whether or not to continue down the paths they have been looking.We don't need to create Bard PCs and &quot;test&quot; in actual games whether or not we like the Arcane / Divine / Primal spell list switch, and the Bard's use of only certain schools from the Arcane list.&nbsp; We get our reactions immediately upon reading the playtest packet and can say to them without much thought at all whether or not we think that change is a good idea.&nbsp; Hopefully everyone who did or did not like the change from Class spell lists to Power Source spell lists actually said so in the survey (I know I certainly did) because that's the way WotC will know whether or not to continue using it for the next packet.Yes, some of the more cynical among us will believe that the Power Source spell lists are here to stay because WotC wants it and no responses to the playtest packets will ever change that because the &quot;playtest&quot; isn't &quot;real&quot;.&nbsp; Frankly though, I think those people are being silly.&nbsp; Because there is absolutely nothing for Jeremy, Chris et. al. to gain by ignoring what people's responses in the surveys are.&nbsp; Waste of time spent designing the rules that we then say we don't like?&nbsp; These people write and design rules all the time-- that's most of their jobs!&nbsp; They create rules and ideas that don't get used constantly every day... so why would these rules in these playtest packets be so sacrosanct that they'd ignore our statements of displeasure and keep using them even though a lot of us said they didn't work?&nbsp; That's just dumb.&nbsp; And I do not believe Jeremy, Chris et. al. are dumb.Of course... this belief won't matter if it turns out that enough actually liked or were ambivalent to Power Source spell lists that WotC felt comfortable continuing down that road... which will of course result in those cynics who didn't like them to keep screaming &quot;See!&nbsp; They are ignoring these playtest surveys!&quot;&nbsp; Because of course some folks here on the boards refuse to accept that their own preferences to how D&amp;D should be are not widely held (and in fact might actually be outright stupid).&nbsp; So for those people... c'est la vie!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 8817022, member: 7006"] I think "playtest" is probably the wrong word to use actually (based upon traditional usage.) All of us in the general public are not meant to be "testing" the "game" part of these rules to make sure the rules work 100%. They have their own internal and external alpha and beta testers for that. This was true for D&D Next, has been true through all the UAs, and is true for One D&D. We are not here to make sure the rules "work". What we are here for is to give our impressions of interest and usability of the rules they present us. Do we like these ideas they are putting forth? Do they make us say to ourselves "Hmm! That's a good change! I like that idea!"... or do we say "Ugh! Why the heck are they doing that?!?" And they are using those responses to determine whether or not to continue down the paths they have been looking. We don't need to create Bard PCs and "test" in actual games whether or not we like the Arcane / Divine / Primal spell list switch, and the Bard's use of only certain schools from the Arcane list. We get our reactions immediately upon reading the playtest packet and can say to them without much thought at all whether or not we think that change is a good idea. Hopefully everyone who did or did not like the change from Class spell lists to Power Source spell lists actually said so in the survey (I know I certainly did) because that's the way WotC will know whether or not to continue using it for the next packet. Yes, some of the more cynical among us will believe that the Power Source spell lists are here to stay because WotC wants it and no responses to the playtest packets will ever change that because the "playtest" isn't "real". Frankly though, I think those people are being silly. Because there is absolutely nothing for Jeremy, Chris et. al. to gain by ignoring what people's responses in the surveys are. Waste of time spent designing the rules that we then say we don't like? These people write and design rules all the time-- that's most of their jobs! They create rules and ideas that don't get used [I]constantly[/I] every day... so why would [I][B]these[/B][/I] rules in these playtest packets be so sacrosanct that they'd ignore our statements of displeasure and keep using them even though a lot of us said they didn't work? That's just dumb. And I do not believe Jeremy, Chris et. al. are dumb. Of course... this belief won't matter if it turns out that enough actually liked or were ambivalent to Power Source spell lists that WotC felt comfortable continuing down that road... which will of course result in those cynics who didn't like them to keep screaming "See! They are ignoring these playtest surveys!" Because of course some folks here on the boards refuse to accept that their own preferences to how D&D should be are not widely held (and in fact might actually be outright stupid). So for those people... c'est la vie! [/QUOTE]

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