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<blockquote data-quote="webrunner" data-source="post: 5234268" data-attributes="member: 63727">That.. follows logically?&nbsp; The double sword IS two swords, that's why it's called a double sword.&nbsp; You do not need to be wielding a Double Sword in each hand to use Two-Weapon Fighting. But for DIS to work there needs to be two implements, but there is not: you are not wielding an implement in each hand, you are wielding a Staff Implement in one hand, and the other either has another implement in it, or is reserved for when you need to use the QS as a weapon.Look at it this way: You're not treating the Staff as a double weapon.&nbsp; You're treating the quartersatff the staff counts as a double weapon.As I said in the other thread, if the staff description said that it counted as an ugrosh, i suspect nobody would consider it to work as two implements in that case, but rules-wise, it would be exactly the same.To put it another way: The rules say you can use a Staff as a Quarterstaff.&nbsp; It does not say you can use the end of a quarterstaff as a staff implement.&nbsp; If that was true, you could use each end of the quarterstaff as aa Staff, which would then each bet treated as it's own Quarterstaff, which would then each be treated as two Staffs, so hypothetically you would have an infinite number of sub-staffs.&nbsp; That's not exactly logical is it?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="webrunner, post: 5234268, member: 63727"] That.. follows logically? The double sword IS two swords, that's why it's called a double sword. You do not need to be wielding a Double Sword in each hand to use Two-Weapon Fighting. But for DIS to work there needs to be two implements, but there is not: you are not wielding an implement in each hand, you are wielding a Staff Implement in one hand, and the other either has another implement in it, or is reserved for when you need to use the QS as a weapon. Look at it this way: You're not treating the Staff as a double weapon. You're treating the quartersatff the staff counts as a double weapon. As I said in the other thread, if the staff description said that it counted as an ugrosh, i suspect nobody would consider it to work as two implements in that case, but rules-wise, it would be exactly the same. To put it another way: The rules say you can use a Staff as a Quarterstaff. It does not say you can use the end of a quarterstaff as a staff implement. If that was true, you could use each end of the quarterstaff as aa Staff, which would then each bet treated as it's own Quarterstaff, which would then each be treated as two Staffs, so hypothetically you would have an infinite number of sub-staffs. That's not exactly logical is it? [/QUOTE]

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