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<blockquote data-quote="Dr_Ruminahui" data-source="post: 5239941" data-attributes="member: 81104">I would give you XP for that, but I can't. Well said.&nbsp;That said, I'm nut sure I agree with your overall conclusion on not getting the bonus for dual implement spell caster, a staff, and the staff weapon fighting feet. You do so on the basis of it giving an enhancement bonus, and the &quot;two bonuses from the same game element&quot; rule don't stack.&nbsp;Now, I agree that the dual implement spellcaster feat gives an enhancement bonus.&nbsp;Now, its debateable whether or not the &quot;same game element&quot; rule comes into play for two reasons.&nbsp;First, what is the game element that is giving you the bonus? Is it the feat giving you the enhancement, or is it the second implement that is giving you the enhancement bonus? If it the feat that is the game element that is giving you the enhancement bonus, then its not the same game element.&nbsp;Second, the &quot;same game element&quot; rule in the eratta is only speaking to untyped bonuses. Now, in fairness, normally untyped bonuses are the only kind that CAN stack... but I don't that by the RAW one can pronounce a general rule regarding to &quot;game elements&quot; regarding stacking bonuses where the bonuses are typed but the rules state that the same type CAN stack, as is the case with dual implement spellcasting, which in order to function allows stacking of enhancement bonuses.&nbsp;&nbsp;So, strictly speaking, I do think the rules allow one to use the above mentioned combo of feats to get twice the staff's enhancement bonus to damage.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dr_Ruminahui, post: 5239941, member: 81104"] I would give you XP for that, but I can't. Well said. That said, I'm nut sure I agree with your overall conclusion on not getting the bonus for dual implement spell caster, a staff, and the staff weapon fighting feet. You do so on the basis of it giving an enhancement bonus, and the "two bonuses from the same game element" rule don't stack. Now, I agree that the dual implement spellcaster feat gives an enhancement bonus. Now, its debateable whether or not the "same game element" rule comes into play for two reasons. First, what is the game element that is giving you the bonus? Is it the feat giving you the enhancement, or is it the second implement that is giving you the enhancement bonus? If it the feat that is the game element that is giving you the enhancement bonus, then its not the same game element. Second, the "same game element" rule in the eratta is only speaking to untyped bonuses. Now, in fairness, normally untyped bonuses are the only kind that CAN stack... but I don't that by the RAW one can pronounce a general rule regarding to "game elements" regarding stacking bonuses where the bonuses are typed but the rules state that the same type CAN stack, as is the case with dual implement spellcasting, which in order to function allows stacking of enhancement bonuses. So, strictly speaking, I do think the rules allow one to use the above mentioned combo of feats to get twice the staff's enhancement bonus to damage. [/QUOTE]

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