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<blockquote data-quote="FentonGib" data-source="post: 4494055" data-attributes="member: 77527">Agreed and this is what I hated about the 4e... 3e felt directed at times, but 4e feels directly shepherded. Most of the characters in my game (esp the PCs) are multiclasses, representing the character's development (e.g. rogue 1/Wizard 4 - representing being raised on the streets but then learning the art from a mentor), but this is lost in 4e.&nbsp;Especially considering they usually wear heavy armour and thus have amazing check penalties... I do find that sometimes the requirements are dubious and feel just like &quot;level restrictors.&quot; I can't remember which class there was, but one PrC required Gather information at high enough levels to force the character to multiclass to get it, but then didn't even have Gather Info as a class skill! Was this an omission on the skills list, or just lack of thinking?I find that when players want to make a character I ask them for their backstory first and then we choose classes and skills that best represent this (and Pathfinder makes it easier) - or reverse, choose a class and pick a backstory to coincide. I like cross-class skills, but with the new Pathfinder conversions I'm insisting that players put more emphasis on class skills. A player who uses a fighter but tanks up on rogue skills is, imho, not really thinking properly about the concept and might be better off going for a swashbuckler, ranger or similar class instead.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FentonGib, post: 4494055, member: 77527"] Agreed and this is what I hated about the 4e... 3e felt directed at times, but 4e feels directly shepherded. Most of the characters in my game (esp the PCs) are multiclasses, representing the character's development (e.g. rogue 1/Wizard 4 - representing being raised on the streets but then learning the art from a mentor), but this is lost in 4e. Especially considering they usually wear heavy armour and thus have amazing check penalties... I do find that sometimes the requirements are dubious and feel just like "level restrictors." I can't remember which class there was, but one PrC required Gather information at high enough levels to force the character to multiclass to get it, but then didn't even have Gather Info as a class skill! Was this an omission on the skills list, or just lack of thinking? I find that when players want to make a character I ask them for their backstory first and then we choose classes and skills that best represent this (and Pathfinder makes it easier) - or reverse, choose a class and pick a backstory to coincide. I like cross-class skills, but with the new Pathfinder conversions I'm insisting that players put more emphasis on class skills. A player who uses a fighter but tanks up on rogue skills is, imho, not really thinking properly about the concept and might be better off going for a swashbuckler, ranger or similar class instead. [/QUOTE]

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