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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 2636118" data-attributes="member: 3051">Well, if I raise my STR at level 20, do I get to go back and retroactively do more damage to the rats I fought at level 1?  If I raise my DEX, do I get to say that the fatal blow I took from a bugbear way back when missed me?  If I switch from Wizard to Fighter, do I get to recalculate my BAB as +1/level?  Most stats only deal with the present time.  The amount of damage you deal at a given level is dependent on your STR at that level.  Your AC at a given level is dependent on your DEX at that level.  The amount of skill points you gain at a given level is dependent on your INT at that level.  Your saves and BAB increase only if your current class level would increase them, without any relation to what classes came before or what will come later.The only things I can think of in the game that are truly "retroactive" are the HP gain from CON and your bonus spells (especially the bonus power points for psionic characters, which are explicitly level-dependent).  So, instead of saying that INT should be retroactive, maybe you should be arguing that CON changes shouldn't be.  Say that your CON at the time you gain a level is what determines your HP, and temporary CON changes don't affect this.  From my point of view, CON is the minority, so using it as justification for an INT change seems backwards.And Crothian, while it's fine to dislike munchkinism as a measuring stick, the situation I came up with is hardly limited to that sort of playstyle.  The Wish-based tomes are available in most campaigns, if you follow the DMG wealth guidelines, and even without them, you can get the same effect by using the Wish spell itself.  Also, you'd get the same effect if someone used their 4-level stat increase to raise their INT modifier at level 20; they'd gain 23 skill points instantly, and have to figure out how to spend them.  And most players either multiclass or add a Prestige Class, so this is hardly limited to the powergamers.</blockquote>

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