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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 7106002" data-attributes="member: 20564">Save or suck spells in 5e are awesome because foes usually only have 2-3 decent saves so you can target bad ones.&nbsp; This becomes even more pronounced at higher levels because proficiency is higher, but it's still true at low levels.But for all that, I don't see Hold Monster used often.&nbsp; Hypnotic Pattern and Banishment get a lot of play and have been available for a bit when you first would get Hold Monster.&nbsp; At lower levels Web and the other spells where it's an ability check to get out which takes an action see more play.&nbsp; But Hold Monster is just too few targets plus a recurring save - it's not worth the slot compared to other spells for general usage.&nbsp; If everyone can and will focus-fire it's got an advantage over all of them with crits, so against a single foe or more powerful boss with a poor WIS save like a giant I can see usage, and that's not too rare.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blue, post: 7106002, member: 20564"] Save or suck spells in 5e are awesome because foes usually only have 2-3 decent saves so you can target bad ones. This becomes even more pronounced at higher levels because proficiency is higher, but it's still true at low levels. But for all that, I don't see Hold Monster used often. Hypnotic Pattern and Banishment get a lot of play and have been available for a bit when you first would get Hold Monster. At lower levels Web and the other spells where it's an ability check to get out which takes an action see more play. But Hold Monster is just too few targets plus a recurring save - it's not worth the slot compared to other spells for general usage. If everyone can and will focus-fire it's got an advantage over all of them with crits, so against a single foe or more powerful boss with a poor WIS save like a giant I can see usage, and that's not too rare. [/QUOTE]

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