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<blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 7107036" data-attributes="member: 58197">As a caster player, hold monster is on my list of &quot;potent but specialized&quot; spells. If I'm playing a character with a lot of spell prep options, I might prepare it, but it won't take precedence over a &quot;bread-and-butter&quot; spell like fireball.The problem with hold monster is that, to get good mileage out of that 5th-level slot, you need a bunch of hard-hitting weapon users on your team. That likely means you have a caster-light party. And that means, if a monster has legendary resistance, it's not practical to adopt a &quot;burn through its LR&quot; strategy; you're better off just joining in the beatdown.So you're only going to be using hold monster in scenarios where one monster is a big enough threat to justify using a 5th-level spell slot and having the whole party beat on it, yet not so big a threat that it has LR. That's not unheard-of by any means (e.g., the roc fight mentioned by a couple people above), but it's a narrowish use case. Hence &quot;potent but specialized.&quot;In general, I prefer banishment for those midrange enemies. It's one spell level lower, doesn't grant ongoing saves, and it's more broadly useful.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dausuul, post: 7107036, member: 58197"] As a caster player, [I]hold monster[/I] is on my list of "potent but specialized" spells. If I'm playing a character with a lot of spell prep options, I might prepare it, but it won't take precedence over a "bread-and-butter" spell like [I]fireball[/I]. The problem with [I]hold monster[/I] is that, to get good mileage out of that 5th-level slot, you need a bunch of hard-hitting weapon users on your team. That likely means you have a caster-light party. And [I]that[/I] means, if a monster has legendary resistance, it's not practical to adopt a "burn through its LR" strategy; you're better off just joining in the beatdown. So you're only going to be using [I]hold monster[/I] in scenarios where one monster is a big enough threat to justify using a 5th-level spell slot and having the whole party beat on it, yet not so big a threat that it has LR. That's not unheard-of by any means (e.g., the roc fight mentioned by a couple people above), but it's a narrowish use case. Hence "potent but specialized." In general, I prefer [I]banishment[/I] for those midrange enemies. It's one spell level lower, doesn't grant ongoing saves, and it's more broadly useful. [/QUOTE]

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