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<blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 6389515" data-attributes="member: 6677017"><p>Yes, this.</p><p></p><p>One of my concerns is that some of the calls they are making, while I can see that they are <em>intending</em> to honor past lore rather than overwrite it, is ending up failing to discriminate between what matters and what doesn't (to the people to whom it matters at all).</p><p></p><p>In the matter of Planescape-era stuff, there is a lot of <em>vitally important</em> lore if you want to maintain support for that sort of campaign without requiring DMs to do house rule roll-backs. </p><p></p><p>What I think they <em>really</em> needed to specifically do was go to the actual fan bases of the various elements of prior D&D setting material that they wanted to support and <em>ask them</em> how it should be done.</p><p></p><p>If they had went over to some place like planewalker.com and talked with people they could have gotten a better idea of what parts of planar lore <em>matter</em> to people. Now, I might not agree with whatever the prevailing sentiments might say, but I'll guess that I'd be more satisfied with it.</p><p></p><p>I understand that they want to sort of simplify and focus on what makes things unique, and that's all well and good for crunch--but fluff needs to be non-contradictory with vast bodies of prior lore. </p><p></p><p>For instance, I need to see all of the exemplars. Okay, maybe not every little minor race that was ever mentioned. But we definitely need the main exemplars. That means archons, guardinals, eladrins to go with the modrons, slaadi, baatezu, yugoloths, and tanar'ri. We also need heirarch modrons. Now, I don't have the MM, but I also get the impression that while the devils and demons are pretty complete, the yugoloths have some holes in their ranks. (I might be wrong on that.)</p><p></p><p>Do I need all of that in the MM? No<em>. </em>But I am going to be displeased if the rest of it doesn't come out in a complete single volume. None of that 3e publishing crap where you scatter one type of guardinal here, and another there, and then just ignore one type entirely for instance.</p><p></p><p>I will say that I think they are trying. For instance, they put the Ethereal Plane back where it is supposed to be for purposes of planar connections, for which I am grateful.</p><p></p><p>I just feel (from what I've seen so far) that there are some questionable judgment calls when it comes to how to handle lore, which might have been addressed better with more extensive feedback from dedicated fan communities.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sword of Spirit, post: 6389515, member: 6677017"] Yes, this. One of my concerns is that some of the calls they are making, while I can see that they are [I]intending[/I] to honor past lore rather than overwrite it, is ending up failing to discriminate between what matters and what doesn't (to the people to whom it matters at all). In the matter of Planescape-era stuff, there is a lot of [I]vitally important[/I] lore if you want to maintain support for that sort of campaign without requiring DMs to do house rule roll-backs. What I think they [I]really[/I] needed to specifically do was go to the actual fan bases of the various elements of prior D&D setting material that they wanted to support and [I]ask them[/I] how it should be done. If they had went over to some place like planewalker.com and talked with people they could have gotten a better idea of what parts of planar lore [I]matter[/I] to people. Now, I might not agree with whatever the prevailing sentiments might say, but I'll guess that I'd be more satisfied with it. I understand that they want to sort of simplify and focus on what makes things unique, and that's all well and good for crunch--but fluff needs to be non-contradictory with vast bodies of prior lore. For instance, I need to see all of the exemplars. Okay, maybe not every little minor race that was ever mentioned. But we definitely need the main exemplars. That means archons, guardinals, eladrins to go with the modrons, slaadi, baatezu, yugoloths, and tanar'ri. We also need heirarch modrons. Now, I don't have the MM, but I also get the impression that while the devils and demons are pretty complete, the yugoloths have some holes in their ranks. (I might be wrong on that.) Do I need all of that in the MM? No[I]. [/I]But I am going to be displeased if the rest of it doesn't come out in a complete single volume. None of that 3e publishing crap where you scatter one type of guardinal here, and another there, and then just ignore one type entirely for instance. I will say that I think they are trying. For instance, they put the Ethereal Plane back where it is supposed to be for purposes of planar connections, for which I am grateful. I just feel (from what I've seen so far) that there are some questionable judgment calls when it comes to how to handle lore, which might have been addressed better with more extensive feedback from dedicated fan communities. [/QUOTE]
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