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<blockquote data-quote="jontherev" data-source="post: 686480" data-attributes="member: 1451"><p>Why not?&nbsp; You hear someone entering your square (make your Listen check) and take a swing in that direction.&nbsp; It's debatable whether it's the touch attack or the movement into the square that causes the AoO...the &quot;why&quot; or &quot;how&quot; is not spelled out in the rules afaik.&nbsp; Bullrush uses a similar mechanic to grapple in the case of the AoO, but actually spells out that it's the movement that causes the AoO...and that leads me to believe it's the same with grapple.&nbsp; But it's irrelevant in any case.&nbsp; If you make your Listen check by 20, you know he's within a few feet of you and it doesn't matter what weapon he's brandishing, unless he used tumble or spring attack and you've ruled that it's the touch attack that causes the AoO (BTW, if this has been clarified, please let me know).&nbsp; It's up to the DM to let the player know whether or not he will be able to take an AoO (i.e. the enemy has tumble, spring attack, or is casting on the defensive, etc.).&nbsp; Bottom line is this...if the invisible guy provokes an AoO, and his enemy has some way of detecting the action causing it (by making an appropriate Listen check), then the only defense invisibility provides in this case is the 50% concealment and immunity to sneak attacks.&nbsp; IMO, invisibility is not meant to provide immunity to AoO's.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="jontherev, post: 686480, member: 1451"] Why not? You hear someone entering your square (make your Listen check) and take a swing in that direction. It's debatable whether it's the touch attack or the movement into the square that causes the AoO...the "why" or "how" is not spelled out in the rules afaik. Bullrush uses a similar mechanic to grapple in the case of the AoO, but actually spells out that it's the movement that causes the AoO...and that leads me to believe it's the same with grapple. But it's irrelevant in any case. If you make your Listen check by 20, you know he's within a few feet of you and it doesn't matter what weapon he's brandishing, unless he used tumble or spring attack and you've ruled that it's the touch attack that causes the AoO (BTW, if this has been clarified, please let me know). It's up to the DM to let the player know whether or not he will be able to take an AoO (i.e. the enemy has tumble, spring attack, or is casting on the defensive, etc.). Bottom line is this...if the invisible guy provokes an AoO, and his enemy has some way of detecting the action causing it (by making an appropriate Listen check), then the only defense invisibility provides in this case is the 50% concealment and immunity to sneak attacks. IMO, invisibility is not meant to provide immunity to AoO's. [/QUOTE]

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