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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2749953" data-attributes="member: 2011">If someone is pinned, how exactly do they get their Dex for Reflex saves? How do they avoid anything if they cannot move?One DM might think that "Treat the defender’s Dexterity as 0 (-5 modifier)." to mean that Reflex saves are lowered as well. Another might not.The reason you gave for not thinking that way is because it is a note on the AC Modifiers Table. Another DM might not think treating a Dex as 0 is limited to that.That's why it is implicit. Whether your "Dex of zero" is only for AC is not explicitly called out in a rule (i.e. within the text of Pinned for example). You interpret your way. Another DM interprets his way. That's implicit, not explicit. You are basing your interpretation solely on where you find the rule.Another example: If you are pinned and immobile, what is your Speed? Is it zero? Or is it merely "treated as" zero? Are you prevented from taking a 5 foot step, even though you are pinned?Another example: If you are pinned, what are you pinned against? A wall? The floor? Nothing? Are you held motionless in midair?The rules here are FAR from explicit.In fact, they are pretty vague.Note: You stated that your reason is explicit. Hyp stated that the exact same reason was implicit. The rules here are so vague that people cannot even agree if a given rule is explicit or implicit.</blockquote>